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post #1 of 22
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My son and I are new to racing and I'm in the process of purchasing some gear.  I was told by another skier that the racer doesn't wear any thermals under the suit.  Is that the case?  I understand that you wear the zip off pants over it prior to the race, but the race suit itself is pretty thin.

 

Thanks for the help.

post #2 of 22

Not sure what anyone else does, but I wear a layer on the bottom and 1-3 layers on the top (depending on temps). WC and upper level FIS racers may be different, but what I do works fine for beer league and Masters. Without at least one layer, the suit will stick to you when you try to take it off.

 

Another tip-leave an old jacket or two at the finish for the ride back up the chair. You won't need to depend on someone else to carry your coat down to the finish for the ride back up the chair to the start.

post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by JohnnyV View Post
 

Not sure what anyone else does, but I wear a layer on the bottom and 1-3 layers on the top (depending on temps). WC and upper level FIS racers may be different, but what I do works fine for beer league and Masters. Without at least one layer, the suit will stick to you when you try to take it off.

 

Another tip-leave an old jacket or two at the finish for the ride back up the chair. You won't need to depend on someone else to carry your coat down to the finish for the ride back up the chair to the start.

 

X 2.

 

When the temps are single digits, I will wear Under Armor compression gear under my regular base layer on the bottom and three layers on top.

 

Karl

post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by MIRACING View Post

My son and I are new to racing and I'm in the process of purchasing some gear.  I was told by another skier that the racer doesn't wear any thermals under the suit.  Is that the case?  I understand that you wear the zip off pants over it prior to the race, but the race suit itself is pretty thin.

Thanks for the help.

If you want to do that, beware of shrinkage! Compression base layer - UA or CWX- is the norm. And yes, even the WC guys normally use a base layer
post #5 of 22
I wear either Under Armor or Russell cold gear compression layers under the suit. Russells have been working as well as UA and the pants are only ~$19 at Wally world.
post #6 of 22

I got a padded Beyond suit much bigger than doctors orders. I love that suit. I would never go back to my old tigt one. Now I can wear compression layers under the suit, 3 layer on top and the POC integrated back and shoulder harness. Im a Master so I go for comfort.

post #7 of 22

Surprised that none of you have mentioned that the base layer{s} that you pick can make the suit more impervious to air flow. In effect if can make a suit that's passed the FIS plomb test illegally fast. Not as fast as suit that failed the test, but a awful lot closer. I thought you guys knew ALL of the tricks. 

 

Our son once raced in a NorAm speed series in brutal cold. If I remember about -20F or colder for the whole week. One of his solutions was to wear base layers, and then two suits, one over the other. I asked him if anybody was checking , and his response was that this was survival and nobody cared. Too cold to check anything….stand height, etc.Besides he was young and probably had a three digit bib number!

 

I've also seen more than one guy, {including one now skiing on the WC}, who would wear bagging cotton sweat pants under a speed suit. I think they're more high tech these days {since they get it all free now}, but whatever works. 

 

Commando under the suit would be pretty chilly!

post #8 of 22

It got so cold here I tried wearing an electric vest under my suit.

A bit tight but very warm.

I would drop the battery pack at the start and freeze until I got back to it.

Being warm is good for your times!

post #9 of 22
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Surprised that none of you have mentioned that the base layer{s} that you pick can make the suit more impervious to air flow. In effect if can make a suit that's passed the FIS plomb test illegally fast. Not as fast as suit that failed the test, but a awful lot closer. I thought you guys knew ALL of the tricks.

 

They gotta catch me! :D

 

PS-It's going to take more than a base layer to make me illegally fast!

post #10 of 22

HaHa ^^^^^

 

I don't forsee a lot of base layer inspecting going on, below the WC level! I was chuckling remembering that our son had a MIzuno suit,maybe a Slovenian team suit that would stretch like crazy. I think that was the "over suit." Plenty of room over a USST suit and more. 

 

Another reason why I never got into this as a Master. Race career needed with 1976 US Nationals. 

post #11 of 22
I wear 3/4 length insulated tights on the bottom and a tshirt and under armour 4.0 long sleeve on top. On a warm day I skip the under armour top.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

HaHa ^^^^^

 

I don't forsee a lot of base layer inspecting going on, below the WC level! I was chuckling remembering that our son had a MIzuno suit,maybe a Slovenian team suit that would stretch like crazy. I think that was the "over suit." Plenty of room over a USST suit and more. 

 

Another reason why I never got into this as a Master. Race career needed with 1976 US Nationals. 

I think a lot more folks would participate if the outlawed Speed suits in Masters! 

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

I think a lot more folks would participate if the outlawed Speed suits in Masters! 


THIS! Anybody in my generation (20's) who didn't race on a team during school isn't going to want to do any racing on the weekends that requires a damn speedsuit. If you don't care about FIS points or aren't in a FIS race, you're not good enough to care about speedsuits. I hate races where you have to use one to be competitive. If you want to take your outer pants and jacket off then fine, but speedsuits cost a ton of money, are really cold, and look ridiculous on 100% of people. If you aren't a hell of a lot better than anybody I've raced against, it's like using a lifting belt, wrist straps, suit, etc. to deadlift 315lb. If you're lifting 1000lbs, then go for it, but that's not us. I'd rather see people use $100+ pure fluoro overlays and the like than a speedsuit.

post #14 of 22

Funny, I think most female racers look pretty good in a speedsuit.

Some very round guys, not so much.

 

But if you are any good and get close to the gates you need padding of some kind.

I have a cheater padded jacket but I feel looser in the suit.

Ski better too, ski racing is about attitude and when I suit up I put on my attitude.

Fluro overlays don't do much in most conditions but a suit is worth 5 handicap points in a NASTAR or Race the Gates course.

Nobody that is remotely competitive with his buddies is going to give that up.

 

MJP 5 sounds just like any other millennial that wants the world to be all about their comfort.

Whiney little bitches should stick with their video games and iphones and leave ski racing to those willing to feel some pain for their amusement.

Stay in the park and pull your pants up:)

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

Funny, I think most female racers look pretty good in a speedsuit.

Some very round guys, not so much.

 

But if you are any good and get close to the gates you need padding of some kind.

I have a cheater padded jacket but I feel looser in the suit.

Ski better too, ski racing is about attitude and when I suit up I put on my attitude.

Fluro overlays don't do much in most conditions but a suit is worth 5 handicap points in a NASTAR or Race the Gates course.

Nobody that is remotely competitive with his buddies is going to give that up.

 

MJP 5 sounds just like any other millennial that wants the world to be all about their comfort.

Whiney little bitches should stick with their video games and iphones and leave ski racing to those willing to feel some pain for their amusement.

Stay in the park and pull your pants up:)

Thumbs Up  Yup,  in a masters GS for anyone remotely competitive, speed suit is worth 1-2 seconds.  And why on earth would you blow $100 on Fluoro overlays which last about 3 gates when you can get a suit for $200 if you look hard enough....

 

And if you look at WC level suits there are also different levels.  The real USST speed ones if you look carefully have a double zip on the front.  (there are also tech versions that look the same but have one zip).  These are branded spyder but are a different - and thinner - material than the single zip suits.  I understand that these are made for all the brands by the same company.   They are also custom made for the racers and extremely tight!   I have one of these from one of our top speed guys and I struggle to get into it @ 5'8"/165#.  I have to choose between a back protector or a health top - and need assistance to get it both on and off.  It is quite different material, almost tissue paperish , from my other USST suits.  I am told though that it is significantly faster.  And I have also found that even the "standard" team issue suits with the sponsor logos are definitely faster than a standard spyder suit that looks the same.

post #16 of 22
Even in a competitive beer league a suit is good for at least a second. And at 45 i look damn sexy in it;)
post #17 of 22
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THIS! Anybody in my generation (20's) who didn't race on a team during school isn't going to want to do any racing on the weekends that requires a damn speedsuit. If you don't care about FIS points or aren't in a FIS race, you're not good enough to care about speedsuits. I hate races where you have to use one to be competitive. If you want to take your outer pants and jacket off then fine, but speedsuits cost a ton of money, are really cold, and look ridiculous on 100% of people. If you aren't a hell of a lot better than anybody I've raced against, it's like using a lifting belt, wrist straps, suit, etc. to deadlift 315lb. If you're lifting 1000lbs, then go for it, but that's not us. I'd rather see people use $100+ pure fluoro overlays and the like than a speedsuit.

OK-real simple................don't race, don't wear a speedsuit and you'll feel great and have lots of girlfriends!! :D

post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

Funny, I think most female racers look pretty good in a speedsuit.

Some very round guys, not so much.

 

But if you are any good and get close to the gates you need padding of some kind.

I have a cheater padded jacket but I feel looser in the suit.

Ski better too, ski racing is about attitude and when I suit up I put on my attitude.

Fluro overlays don't do much in most conditions but a suit is worth 5 handicap points in a NASTAR or Race the Gates course.  THIS IS RIDIUCLOUS BECUASE IF no one is wearing a suit...no disadvantage without one!

 

 

 

Nobody that is remotely competitive with his buddies is going to give that up.   Ya just are not thinking straight here....No suits even playing field. I am not telling you to wear parachute pants!   

 

MJP 5 sounds just like any other millennial that wants the world to be all about their comfort.

Whiney little bitches should stick with their video games and iphones and leave ski racing to those willing to feel some pain for their amusement.

Stay in the park and pull your pants up:)

 

THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF PADDED JACKETS AND SHORTS...d3O AND OTHERS.......Ya don't need a suit for padding...as far as attitude goes...Give me a break...your smart enough to get your attitude on in the start house no matter what you're wearing. 

 

 

Actually it has been scientifcally proven that your performance degrades substantially when you are cold!  Also more prone to muscle injury!

post #19 of 22

Yeah, but if you outlaw suits then the controversy is going to be - what isn't a suit.  Anyone with half a brain is going to be wearing the tightest stuff they can find and in the end it would wind up being a suit.

 

post #20 of 22

Applying Atomicman's logic to some other sports results in some humorous examples......

 

Take the speedos off swimmers and put them in baggies.

Make track stars run in clogs and full clothing to prevent injuries and enhance participation.

Take the pads and helmets from football players to reduce injury.

Or even better, forbid women from wearing makeup because.............

 

In every sport participants will use any gear that gives them an advantage and banning it has not proven very successful.

Then there is doping, another prohibited activity that is totally out of control and probably affects ski racing too.

post #21 of 22

I found it to be more challenging and just as (if not more) expensive to find non-suit substitutes, even obtaining nearly all on clearance or sale:

-Energiapura close fitting jacket w/ reinforced sleeve material to hold up on gates

-Energiapura padded under-layer 'shorts' with hip and knee protection.

-POC arm & shoulder protector

-various close fitting under-layers for added warmth

-Marmot close fitting pants

 

Or I could just wear a suit with some under-layers and be done with it.

 

Took me forever to find pants that would work well for daily NASTAR & practice runs.  I blame the snowboarder influence :rolleyes.  Pants had to be stretchy enough to get my Breg knee brace under, otherwise I'd either have the brace over a suit or under baggies.  The baggy pants add 0.6 seconds on our course.  I have not checked my new setup vs. a suit yet, but probably not a huge difference.  For a very competitive night league with team bragging rights often separated by fractions of a point, I'll be in a suit every time.

post #22 of 22

For daily stuff I just use my old spyder coaches bibs which are tough enough.  I've just gotten used to melt marks on my jacket sleeves from running with a jacket on.  Using a jacket all the time would definitely result in a lot of damage to a jacket that costs more than an entire speed suit.

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