Originally Posted by fatoldman
The amount of snow coming off the skis is more a factor of the snow surface they are skiing on, one a softish groomer the other injected race surface.
Other than that you should work on being both better at seeing just what is going on and understanding the why of what you see. Start at the snow and notice that the outside ski is tipped less than the inside ski and is diverging from the inside ski. See and understand that and everything else follows. Level shoulders and hip near snow can't save a turn that fails where the ski meets the snow.
Of course that has to do with it as well, but snow spraying is definitely something that occurs when lots of pressure is applied onto the ski, even on injected ice, but of course it happens a lot less. But in that pic it is snowing, so there is definitely a layer of snow on the course and still he is hardly spraying snow.
I always try to work on everything, nevertheless you seem a little bit too sure about me being wrong. An outside ski diverging in the beginning of a turn is normal, you can also clearly see that towards the end of the turn the outside ski is converging towards his inside ski again. That is normal and happens in every turn. Also, I'd say his tipping angles are pretty equal, yes his inside ski is tipped a little bit more (maybe a couple of millimeters), but his outside ski is definitely bent a lot more. Besides, I'd say the 'excessive' tipping from his inside ski definitely came from his ankle, because his shins are pretty much perfectly parallel. What's so bad about that?
What do you mean by that last sentence?
Originally Posted by Jamt
The easiest way to see hip dump is to look at the angle formed by edge-knee-hip. Easier to see in my previous picture when the ski is facing the camera more.
@Art of Skiing and @TDK. If this is not hip dumping, what is your definition?
My definition would be something like "getting your hip closer to the snow without increasing edge angle". Bio-mechanically @fatoldman gave a good description above.
I'd say hip dumping occurs when you move your hip inside the turn, with hardly any pressure on the outside ski. He is using the pressure on his outside ski to push himself to the ground and he is not randomly moving his hip inside without a solid base of support. I'd say the reason why it looks like hip dumping is because he is getting his hip to the snow very slow and progressively, but he maintains pressure all throughout the turn, which makes this pretty proper technique if you ask me.
Originally Posted by Smear
Falling inside sensation is perhaps stretching it a bit far. As long as the inside leg has some weight when we are retracting it to develop inclination, then perhaps that is what makes it feel stable. If it's retracted slowly that should be the case. If we are lifting the inside leg of the snow early in the turn then we are surly slowly falling towards the inside. My main point was that we are not in balance over the outside ski early in the turn.
Later when we shift to being out of balance toward the outside, then that does not feel like being out of balance either. Now our inside leg is free to do whatever we want and inclination is reducing. But that certainly feels like being in balance over the outside ski and there is no reason why it shouldn't feel like that.
I disagree, I think you can be in perfect balance over your inside ski early in the turn. In order to make angles before the fall line, I'd say you need a proper base of support to get your hip down to the ground. Your base of support is always going to be your outside ski...