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Changed boot size = over-sized bindings, what to do?

post #1 of 10
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Hey guys,

 

So back in 2014 I purchased new ski gear from Any Mountain (they had a good deal ok....) including boot, skis, and bindings. The boots were Tecnica Cochise 110 in Mondo 27.5, skis Atomic Vantage Theory's in 177cm, and Salomon STH 12 bindings (recommended by tech at AM). 

 

Fast forward to last week, where I got fitted at a proper boot store, and brought my size down to 26.5. I went home and went to adjust the bindings for the new Dalbello boots, but the bindings are too big! The forward pressure does not engage close enough even when the screw is in the shortest position....

 

Any recommendations on what to do/what bindings to replace them with? I'm hoping to not have to shell out another few hundred dollars, but I do need them up for next weekend.

 

Thanks!

Alexis 

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Originally Posted by caruolo View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

So back in 2014 I purchased new ski gear from Any Mountain (they had a good deal ok....) including boot, skis, and bindings. The boots were Tecnica Cochise 110 in Mondo 27.5, skis Atomic Vantage Theory's in 177cm, and Salomon STH 12 bindings (recommended by tech at AM). 

 

Fast forward to last week, where I got fitted at a proper boot store, and brought my size down to 26.5. I went home and went to adjust the bindings for the new Dalbello boots, but the bindings are too big! The forward pressure does not engage close enough even when the screw is in the shortest position....

 

Any recommendations on what to do/what bindings to replace them with? I'm hoping to not have to shell out another few hundred dollars, but I do need them up for next weekend.

 

Thanks!

Alexis 


Take your skis to the shop you bought your new boots from, "the proper boot store", they may have to remount the bindings or perhaps your are not adjusting them correctly and they can. Since you purchased new boots from them, they may, or may not give you a break on the binding adjustment, but either way, it shouldn't cost as much as your afraid of spending.

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You just need to have the bindings adjusted. Just about every binding made can adjust 1 shell size.
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You just need to have the bindings adjusted. Just about every binding made can adjust 1 shell size.

I guess you missed the part where the OP adjusted the bindings and the forward pressure screw bottomed out. STH12's are excellent bindings. They have an adjustment range of 2.5cm, or 1.25cm in either direction if mounted in the center of their range for the first boot. The op's technicas have a bsl of 320, the Dalbellos somewhere between 305 and 308mm depending on the model, or 1.2 to 1.5 cm shorter than the technicas. In other words either at or shorter than the adjustment limit of the binding, assuming it was in the middle of its range for the technicas. 

 

Either the toe or the heel will need to be moved--at least 1cm from the old holes. Whether to move the heel or the toe is a subject for another thread, except to say that moving the binding will put the mount either 0.5cm forward or back, assuming the original mount was on the line--too small a difference to worry about. No need to buy new bindings.

 

Here's a nice source for bsl's.http://www.evo.com/ski-boot-sole-length-bsl-size-chart.aspx

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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

You just need to have the bindings adjusted. Just about every binding made can adjust 1 shell size.

I guess you missed the part where the OP adjusted the bindings and the forward pressure screw bottomed out. STH12's are excellent bindings. They have an adjustment range of 2.5cm, or 1.25cm in either direction if mounted in the center of their range for the first boot. The op's technicas have a bsl of 320, the Dalbellos somewhere between 305 and 308mm depending on the model, or 1.2 to 1.5 cm shorter than the technicas. In other words either at or shorter than the adjustment limit of the binding, assuming it was in the middle of its range for the technicas. 

 

Either the toe or the heel will need to be moved--at least 1cm from the old holes. Whether to move the heel or the toe is a subject for another thread, except to say that moving the binding will put the mount either 0.5cm forward or back, assuming the original mount was on the line--too small a difference to worry about. No need to buy new bindings.

 

Here's a nice source for bsl's.http://www.evo.com/ski-boot-sole-length-bsl-size-chart.aspx


This is accurate.  If it were me, I'd have the heel moved forward a titch, because that ski is pretty playful if you were to mount it slightly forward anyway so this may be a win win on many levels. 

post #6 of 10
You don't adjust the bindings for a bigger/smaller shell with the forward pressure screw on Salomon bindings IIRC. There is a tab on the heel that allows the heel piece to move, THEN you adjust the forward pressure. That's a pretty big red flag to me that the OP doesn't know how to adjust bindings.
Either way, just take them to the shop.
post #7 of 10

19 mm boot sole length adjustment, but we don't know where the bindings were mounted to fit the original boots--maybe all the adjustment remaining is to lengthen, not shorten.

http://www.salomon.com/us/product/sth-12.html

 

Take them to a good shop.  Agree with clink, we hope the release setting screw isn't being confused with the length adjuster.

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You don't adjust the bindings for a bigger/smaller shell with the forward pressure screw on Salomon bindings IIRC. There is a tab on the heel that allows the heel piece to move, THEN you adjust the forward pressure. That's a pretty big red flag to me that the OP doesn't know how to adjust bindings.
Either way, just take them to the shop.


Salomon uses both a worm screw and tab style depending on the bindings. STH bindings used the worm screw so the op is spot on and you are not.

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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

You don't adjust the bindings for a bigger/smaller shell with the forward pressure screw on Salomon bindings IIRC. There is a tab on the heel that allows the heel piece to move, THEN you adjust the forward pressure. That's a pretty big red flag to me that the OP doesn't know how to adjust bindings.
Either way, just take them to the shop.


Salomon uses both a worm screw and tab style depending on the bindings. STH bindings used the worm screw so the op is spot on and you are not.

This correct. I have solly's with tabs and solly's with screws. the STH's--a couple of pairs from different years-- have screws. My recollection is that the Z12's have tabs but I'm not going up to my shed where my old skis are to find out for sure.

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This correct. I have solly's with tabs and solly's with screws. the STH's--a couple of pairs from different years-- have screws. My recollection is that the Z12's have tabs but I'm not going up to my shed where my old skis are to find out for sure.


Yep, All Z's have tabs, 912's and 914's were also tabs. 916, STH12 (both Z style and Driver toes), STH14 and STH16 have the five hole heel with the worm screw. You can go way back in generations and salomon will have both Tab and Worm screw bindings. Generally speaking the higher end bindings have the worm screw, it is a more durable heal. 

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