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First pair of boots - wondering if I got fitted correctly for my size and experience [A Beginner Zone thread, 6'4", 220 lbs]

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Asked the boot guys, but maybe the Beginner Zone would be more appropriate.

 

First time I went skiing I I got lessons, started slow and got up to black diamonds on some local resorts (I know, I know, it's nothing like the big dog mountains, but it was a small victory). Anyway, got hooked immediately and after a couple more times decided that next season I will buy a pair of boots to start (did my homework, eh?).

 

Got fitted for a pair of Nordica NXT N4s in an 80 flex this season and wondering if the guys at Viking Ski Shop in Chicago did a decent job. 

I'm 6'4, ~220lbs.

post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by donjohn View Post
 

Asked the boot guys, but maybe the Beginner Zone would be more appropriate.

 

First time I went skiing I I got lessons, started slow and got up to black diamonds on some local resorts (I know, I know, it's nothing like the big dog mountains, but it was a small victory). Anyway, got hooked immediately and after a couple more times decided that next season I will buy a pair of boots to start (did my homework, eh?).

 

Got fitted for a pair of Nordica NXT N4s in an 80 flex this season and wondering if the guys at Viking Ski Shop in Chicago did a decent job. 

I'm 6'4, ~220lbs.


Well, not sure what you expect to learn before you use the boots.  I suggest you learn a bit more about the art of boot fitting and maybe that will help you decide if the process at Viking was well done.  What sort of fit guarantee does the shop offer?  Lifetime or only 1 year?  How long did you spend at the boot fitting?

 

My brother-in-law lives in Chicagoland.  But he gets his boots from a different shop.

 

 

Intro to boot flex

http://www.epicski.com/t/116467/buying-boots-what-does-that-boot-flex-mean-a-beginner-zone-thread

 

A Beginner Zone thread about first boots

http://www.epicski.com/t/142681/my-first-pair-of-boots-a-beginner-zone-thread

 

The threads/articles that are listed as links at the top of Ask The Boot Guys are worth reading.

post #3 of 17
Ask yourself a few questions
1. Are the boots comfortable? If so, likely too large. If not, but really snug, buy not painfully so, likely OK.
Anoher way of asking the same thing, if the shell fit has less than 2 finger gap, you're likely good.
2. When you press your shin into the front of the boot, do the feel soft or stiff? If you crush them, then too soft. If they don't flex any, likely too stiff.
3. When you lift your heel, is there any movement? You want the heel to be pocketed and not move. If you have a lot of movement it'll be hard to control the skis.
Good luck...
post #4 of 17
80 flex sounds a bit soft for your weight, even allowing for skiing ability. But, it's the fit -- SNUG!!!! -- that really counts.
post #5 of 17

Paging @XLTL , @bttocs .  These are a couple of the Clydesdale guys who have been talking about buying gear in recent years.

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

Well, not sure what you expect to learn before you use the boots.

 

What sort of fit guarantee does the shop offer?  Lifetime or only 1 year?

 

How long did you spend at the boot fitting?

 

I was just wondering if there was an average for my size in terms of flex. They are snug but not uncomfortably so.

 

They have a 2 year guarantee so I think it's pretty fair. The lifetime would have been nice though.

 

I was in the shop for a good hour or so. I felt like I got all the right questions asked/shell fitting/walking around and letting them settle in a bit.

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

80 flex sounds a bit soft for your weight, even allowing for skiing ability. But, it's the fit -- SNUG!!!! -- that really counts.

 

Super snug fit. Amazingly so. Do not feel loose anywhere and gives me a good wiggle room in the toes. Just worried I will outgrow these quickly.

post #8 of 17

The only thing that strikes me is that the Flex seems very low for your weight. 

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by donjohn View Post
 

 

Super snug fit. Amazingly so. Do not feel loose anywhere and gives me a good wiggle room in the toes. Just worried I will outgrow these quickly.

 

 

donjohn,   first welcome to epic and welcome to skiing both a great descision.  In all honesty with your limited experience and time on the snow, if you get boots that are perfect for you it would be a miracle.  Most of us have been through different styles, flexes, brands and levels of performance and some of the boots were ok, some were good and once in awhile a skier will find a perfect b oot. So don't fret too much, you're approaching it right by doing your research, going to a real ski shop etc.

 

Hope you have a great year.

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
 

 

 

donjohn,   first welcome to epic and welcome to skiing both a great descision.  In all honesty with your limited experience and time on the snow, if you get boots that are perfect for you it would be a miracle.  Most of us have been through different styles, flexes, brands and levels of performance and some of the boots were ok, some were good and once in awhile a skier will find a perfect b oot. So don't fret too much, you're approaching it right by doing your research, going to a real ski shop etc.

 

Hope you have a great year.

 

Thanks mate. Seems like I can get a lot of advice and info from this forum and I already have.

 

Makes sense to just play it by ear. Trying it out and seeing if it works and feels right. 

 

Looking forward to a great future of skiing and trips.

 

You too man. 

post #11 of 17
I'd say start higher in flex. As a noob and not knowing better, I bought my first boots online at the fine folks at @skiessentials that participate here on Epic. They recommended Lange RX 100 31.5 for my long skinny feet and I thought they were snug enough. Not! I'm 6'6" and 225, and never felt they were too stiff even as a low intermediate. Very responsive even if a little too big. I sold them this year at my local shop swap and currently am waiting on a special order of RX 130 LV in 30.5. I tried the 29.5 on recommendation but it was too small. Fortunately the fitter that worked with me this time is almost my size and has the same length as my feet. He used to ski Lange but moved to Dalbellos for his wider feet. He wanted to put me in 120 flex but that doesn't come in low volume so I probably will take out a screw to start to soften the flex a little while I break them in. I guess what I'm trying to say with my experience is that your odyssey to the perfect boot is just starting. These boots may serve you well for a season or two, but you can always sell them in a swap!
post #12 of 17

#1 Flex seems light for a big guy but too stiff boots are a major hindrance to development.  That said you should have NO problem flexing the 80s.

 

#2 Be patient.   New properly fitted boots can be uncomfortable after a few runs.  Everyone's feet have diff bumps and lumps.  Remember that you boots can be modified here and there for snug fit AND comfort.  If your feet ain't happy, aint nobody happy.

 

#3  Did you get custom footbeds?  Are they worth it?  yes.     

post #13 of 17

Are the boots suitable for the shop to sell to someone else?  No wear and no modifications for you?  If so, return them.  These are way too soft flexing for a guy 6-4 and 220.

 

A big advantage of boots with proper stiffness is when you're off balance you have something to lever against to get recentered.  These boots won't do.  As you develop skill, you want boots that will send the movement of your legs to your skis; that's how you control skis.  These will absorb those movements.

 

Did you see this:  http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

And this:  http://lous.ca/

post #14 of 17
I am 6'4" and 245 lbs. I ski 140 flx langes. Your boots are pretty soft for your size. I think you will like them at slower speeds and with softer skis. As you progress to higher speeds and stiffer skis you will need a higher performance boot. I put my novice son in 120 boots and they worked well for him.
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys for the input!

 

I actually went back to the guys over at Viking and thought I'd give a shot at getting refit to see if another boot fitter there would put me in a different boot and he did.

 

Got upgraded to the Salomon X Pro 100 and said that the other boot fitter knew what he was doing because the fit was perfect, but in terms of me outgrowing the boot within a season, that would definitely have happened with the Nordica  NXT N4s. Glad I gave it another go and can't wait for my first trip of the season now!

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by donjohn View Post
 

Thanks guys for the input!

 

I actually went back to the guys over at Viking and thought I'd give a shot at getting refit to see if another boot fitter there would put me in a different boot and he did.

 

Got upgraded to the Salomon X Pro 100 and said that the other boot fitter knew what he was doing because the fit was perfect, but in terms of me outgrowing the boot within a season, that would definitely have happened with the Nordica  NXT N4s. Glad I gave it another go and can't wait for my first trip of the season now!


Glad to know that Viking wanted to make sure you are happy in the long run.  A good friend of mine is a Clydesdale (over 6'2", > 250 lbs, size 14 shoe) so I have an appreciation for the fact that shopping for ski boots (or shoes) requires extra effort.

post #17 of 17

Just a little extra info:

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read through the above article and do the "Shell Check" thing spoken about in there-----

 

If the free space behind your heel is correct you should be good to go.

 

Happy Holidays:)

 

mike

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