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Völkl AC30 but a bit less demanding.

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Topic says it all.

I am upperintermediate skier, mostly ski on hard snow, and I wanna say - I LOVE my AC30 Unlimited (I have 2011 release, black with red/white).

The only thing I am constantly struggling with is that they don't allow me to "relax and just ski for fun"... You know what I mean - I can not ski AC30 all day long without being exhausted and tired.

Small mistake on a slope and I am immediately punished.

I would like to get some "Völkl alike" skis but with bigger sweetspot and more forgiving. What would be closest option? I will use them when I do not want to make big efforts.

 

And AC30 will be my weapon of choice when contending.

 

Thanks for any ideas. 

post #2 of 24

When I switched skis with a fellow patroller I found the AC30 to have a very good balance of ease of use and performance when wanted (and though it's been a while, I'm pretty sure it was the same model that you have), so I am trying to understand how you've arrived at the position in your post.

 

Maybe try new boots?  :duck: Seriously though, trying to control high precision skis with sloppy boots can be very tiring.

 

What tune do you have on them (side and base bevels)?   Maybe going back to a 2 side 1 base will return their easy-going character.

What length are they and how much do you weigh?

 

Any ski that would be kinder and gentler (e.g. K2 AMP Rictor) would detract from performance ability.

 

Are you carving clean turns?  Skiing sideways on skis meant to be skied forwards is very tiring.

post #3 of 24

I will go ahead and get this out of the way for everybody: Buy a K2 or Rossignol and when you get good you can buy a great ski like a Volkl ooooorrrrr a Head oooorrrrr a Blizzard!

 

( Sorry OP thats just a little sarcasm for the regulars )

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

When I switched skis with a fellow patroller I found the AC30 to have a very good balance of ease of use and performance when wanted (and though it's been a while, I'm pretty sure it was the same model that you have), so I am trying to understand how you've arrived at the position in your post.

 

Maybe try new boots?  :duck: Seriously though, trying to control high precision skis with sloppy boots can be very tiring.

 

What tune do you have on them (side and base bevels)?   Maybe going back to a 2 side 1 base will return their easy-going character.

What length are they and how much do you weigh?

 

Any ski that would be kinder and gentler (e.g. K2 AMP Rictor) would detract from performance ability.

 

Are you carving clean turns?  Skiing sideways on skis meant to be skied forwards is very tiring.

I have switched the boots to Atomic (I used to use Tecnica), and really feel uncomfortable. Probably will take my old Tecnica other day to see how it goes. Seriously, I just wanted to ask if there is any ski with all AC30 capabilities but without requirement to always push them.. as Völkl do shy only when on speed.  

post #5 of 24

Short answer is no.  Any ski that is easier to ski will also only be able to provide less performance when push comes to shove.

 

That being said increasing base bevel to 1 (traditional original Völkl base bevel) if your current bevel is 0.5 will make the ski more forgiving and will detract very little from skis performance once you have it tipped up on edge.

 

Re: boots, it's not whether it is Atomic or Technica or Rossi, or Fischer or....; it is can your foot move around or roll around inside the boot without h moving the ski.  IMO, a ski boot should fit very firmly, but still not cause pain because the painful spots have been punched or otherwise corrected.  Most people buy boots that are too big so they will be comfortable instead of getting  the correct (smaller) size and then having the boot worked on to sort out the discomfort.

 

You don't have to push those AC30, you just need to tip them enough (past the critical angle) to carve a clean turn.  If you don't want to be worn out at the end of the day, just carve wider turns.  You will be going faster, but spending less energy to do so.  Just because it's fun to make 6 m turns with a 15 m turn radius ski doesn't mean all your tuns need to be 6 m radius turns :cool.  If you are not carving arc-2-arc turns but making brushed turns, then there are better skis for that (see K2 AMP series of skis).

post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by lavskap View Post
 Seriously, I just wanted to ask if there is any ski with all AC30 capabilities but without requirement to always push them.. as Völkl do shy only when on speed.  

 

The AC30 is a easy going ski. :eek 

post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 

Would be Racetiger RC PSI in the same category?

post #8 of 24

After years of Volkls I was set to pull the trigger on a pair of AC30s, then I demoed the Kastle MX78. Unbelievably fun and versatile ski. More capable and better edge hold than the Volkls yet (to me at least) an overall easier ride. For you I would recommend the Kastle LX82 - similar ski, a little wider, a little softer. Plenty of people on this forum ski it and rave about it.

post #9 of 24
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Would be Racetiger RC PSI in the same category?

 

Don't go there. It gets darker. 

post #10 of 24

I used to ski Volkl Superspeeds, which I believe were a step beyond AC30's in stiffness, heft, etc.

 

Since then I have been on various models of Fischer Progressor, which I found are almost as good as the Volkls for speed and edge hold, but a lot easier to ski.

post #11 of 24
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I have switched the boots to Atomic (I used to use Tecnica), and really feel uncomfortable.
I'm betting this is your problem, the boots don't fit. Go to a real boot fitter.
post #12 of 24
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The AC30 is a easy going ski. :eek 

Note: Edit to delete my reviewt, I had described my experiences with another the AC 50 (beast of a ski). Sorry, it's been several years, memory is not what it used to be.

 

The Volkl I really want to demo for hard snow is the '16 RTM 91. I liked the '15 version, but, this years adds some camber and gets excellent reviews.


Edited by Living Proof - 12/7/15 at 10:51am
post #13 of 24
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The AC30 is a easy going ski. :eek 

I'm with @KingGrump and can not agree with the AC30 as an easygoing ski. It's like falling in love with a high maintenance woman. I was able to exchange skis with a friend for a few hours, and, at the end, he wanted to keep my Kastle 88's and, I could not wait to get my skis back. One trick pony, longer radius turns at some speed, ok it holds hard snow well, but, not much else.That ski made me wonder about why some people just love Volkl.

 

The Volkl I really want to demo for hard snow is the '16 RTM 91. I liked the '15 version, but, this years adds some camber and gets excellent reviews.


I don't think we are talking about the same ski.  I found the ski 170 cm length ski I tried easier to bend into a tight turn than my Fischer 165 cm WC SCs. @lavskap, can you post a pic and/or give some details from what is written on the ski (turn radius, length, width, etc.)?

post #14 of 24
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I don't think we are talking about the same ski.  I found the ski 170 cm length ski I tried easier to bend into a tight turn than my Fischer 165 cm WC SCs. @lavskap, can you post a pic and/or give some details from what is written on the ski (turn radius, length, width, etc.)?

I stand corrected and have edited my post above, I did not ski the AC 30, I was referring to the AC 50. 

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by lavskap View Post
 

I mean these skis:

http://www.ski-review.com/ski_reviews/review/volkl_ac_30_2011/

 

Yup, those are nice & soft. 

Take a good look at your boots & technique. Your issues are probably there. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

 

I stand corrected and have edited my post above, I did not ski the AC 30, I was referring to the AC 50. 

 

Yup for the AC50 also. Had to carry extra ballast to make those puppies work for me. :D

Maybe that's why I didn't buy them. 

 

Agree with you - the MX88 is a wonderful feeling ski. 

post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

The main problem I found with AC30 (after few more outings) is that they are a bit sluggish to initiate mid/short turns.. They are outstanding in giant slalom and effortless to do long turns, but it gets (at least for me) really hard to make mid or shorts... 

I have AC30 in 170cm... And yet, they are not so good at soft snow. Again - outstanding on icy or hard packed snow but not that shiny on soft fresh snow.

 

What I have now is possibility to get really cheap, appx 1/4 from initial price (unfortunately without any demo :( ) the following skis:

- Atomic Redster LT (2013/14 version), either in 166cm or 174cm

- Blizzard Magnum 8.1 (2013 version), in 165cm

- Fischer Motiv 80 (2014 version), in 168cm

 

Any idea which one would be with Völkl DNA but not that sluggish in short turn?

 

I am progressing intermediate skier, 100% on piste.

I am 5'8, 161 Lbs

post #18 of 24

If you are on soft snow most of the time, you might try and old AC3 in 170 cm instead of the AC 30.  It will be softer, and although aimed at a more beginner skier, if you are on soft snow where it can dig in significantly it would not loose that much in terms of performance given your weight.

 

However, and this is shear conjecture on my part (I have never seen you ski), it seems to me that there is something in your technique preventing you from attaining the high tipping angles needed to make short turns on these skis.  Maybe have a look this thread http://www.epicski.com/t/144128/favorite-drill-to-increase-angles.

post #19 of 24
2016 Volkl RTM 81. Just bought some for myself. Equal grip as your old skis but less stiff and much more versatile. Phenomenal ski.
post #20 of 24

I weight 150 lbs, 5'-9", and agreed with you on the AC30.  Great ski if you can maintain perfect technique but it will kick you if not.  It is better for heavier skiers.  If you want to keep the performance look for a medium-stiff ski like the Blizzard Brahma.

post #21 of 24

I weigh 165, owned the AC40 and its ancestor, skied the 30 once or twice. Not sure about kicking butt, but planky and narrowly focused, like most Volkls of that era. All the novel ideas left with the engineers who went to Blizzard, Volkl just went for Teutonic beef. No early rise, pretty much not for soft snow or real bumps. Strong on hardback and in crud.

 

The new ones are apparently waaay better, although you might be happiest with another ski like last season's Head Rev 80/85, the Rossignol E83, or the Blizzard Latigo. All will have a wider performance envelope, be comparatively more forgiving/fun, without sacrificing much or anything in the way of growth potential. 

post #22 of 24

Try the new RTM 84,  early rise tip and tail.  Or the old RTM 84 if you like full reverse camber (I have them and they rip). 

post #23 of 24
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Try the new RTM 84,  early rise tip and tail.  Or the old RTM 84 if you like full reverse camber (I have them and they rip). 

Was any RTM full reverse camber? If so - which year release?

I thought RTM series was introduced as AC replacement but with full rocker design.

post #24 of 24
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Was any RTM full reverse camber? If so - which year release?

I thought RTM series was introduced as AC replacement but with full rocker design.


full reverse camber is full rocker, so far as I understood it.    But this year has regular camber under foot and early rise tip and tail.  

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