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Moment PB&J 182 cm with Pivot 12 bindings - as new - skied one time for a few hours

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I am selling a few pairs of skis, I just have too many (if there is such a thing) These are '13 - '14 Moment PB&J in 182cm with Look Pivot 12 bindings mounted to a 300 mm boot sole length on the recommended line. These are basically new skis. Asking $750.00 The skis sell for about that without bindings, and these bindings are normally around $250.

 

I have these listed on e-bay, but I can remove them if there is an interest in them.

post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 

Bump. Make me a reasonable offer.

post #3 of 17

I can offer you $450.00. I know this is less and your asking price, after shipping and remounting I will end up having over $500 invested. Let me know thanks. Can you confirm the skis dimensions.

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi, I guess I have decided to keep the PB&J's. I think I paid $550.00 for these on sale, and about 180.00 for the bindings if I remember right, so I wouldn't want to sell them cheap. They are basically new skis. I really did only ski them one time. I decided that I have other skis that I liked more, but these can definitely find a niche in my quiver. These are pretty stiff, powerful, skis, and seem to ski a little longer than I thought they would. I tend to like to ski tight trees, and moguls, and I have some shorter skis, that seem to work well for that, and I have bigger skis for deep snow, so I guess I just have too many skis.:)

 

These are 182 cm and the sidecut is 129-101-121

 

As a side note; I have a brand new, unmounted pair of Volkl Bridges from last year that I will probably sell now that I have decided to keep the PB&J's. Those are 179cm. I would like to sell for $325.00 if there is any interest.

 

Thanks, Mike

post #5 of 17

What is the actual edge lenght when flat? Don't know if they would be too short for me at 215 pounds...

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi, are you talking about the PB&J or the Bridges?

post #7 of 17

Bridge since you keep the other

post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi, I don't know for sure about the edge length, but I am guessing that for your weight, you would like the PB&J skis better in a 182 than the Bridge in a 179. I think the PB&J is a more versatile, and slightly more burly / damped ski than the Bridge, which although I have never skied them I see as a lighter/snappier ski. Does that make sense? Maybe get some opinions from people who have skied on the Bridge, but I think 179 is a little too short for you at your weight. I would still sell the PB&J, but I just don't want to sell them cheap. Nobody seems too interested in paying what I consider a wholesale price, so I can keep them if I don't get a good price, and use them for my own pleasure:D

Is it just me, or does it seem like there is a glut of skis on the market? I was just thinking that maybe all of these Indie brand ski builders are over producing for the current market?

 

Mike

post #9 of 17

Don't see a glut but more a slower market due to a slow season... I'll pas for the nice pb&j cause of the present exchange rate...

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by fly2mike View Post
 

Hi, I don't know for sure about the edge length, but I am guessing that for your weight, you would like the PB&J skis better in a 182 than the Bridge in a 179. I think the PB&J is a more versatile, and slightly more burly / damped ski than the Bridge, which although I have never skied them I see as a lighter/snappier ski. Does that make sense? Maybe get some opinions from people who have skied on the Bridge, but I think 179 is a little too short for you at your weight. I would still sell the PB&J, but I just don't want to sell them cheap. Nobody seems too interested in paying what I consider a wholesale price, so I can keep them if I don't get a good price, and use them for my own pleasure:D

Is it just me, or does it seem like there is a glut of skis on the market? I was just thinking that maybe all of these Indie brand ski builders are over producing for the current market?

 

Mike

 

 

It's not so much a glut but the price your asking. Not trying to be a dick just set reasonable expectations. First regardless of the condition it's a used ski, just like as soon as you buy a car and drive it off the lot it's instantly worth significantly less. They are also two seasons old at this point which makes them even less, if you go search on Newschoolers that ski was selling for around $600 last year and another season has gone by which means they will sale for even less now. To go back to the car analogy you have a Corvette with an upgraded exhaust system  that's two years old and you want people to pay you the same price they're paying the dealership for this year's model because that's what the car is swelling for without the exhaust. Just go into a ski shop new last years model skis are 30-40%.

 

Like I said not trying to be mean or anything, if you can afford to hold onto the ski do so and enjoy it, but knowledgeable skiers (like on this forum) aren't going to pay the price your asking.    

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 

Well, I wasn't talking specifically about this pair of skis necessarily, just the price of skis in general. It seems like there are a lot of skis on the market, and the manufacturers are dumping them. I saw that Moment is offering free financing! I never heard of that before have you? I also, know that my nephew just bought a new pair of High Society skis for $300.00. Also, you made my point about the new, last years skis selling for 30 to 40% off. There are a lot of leftover skis out there. I just think the market is glutted with skis.

 As far as you car analogy goes, it seems to me that if I had a chance to buy a Corvette that had 150 miles on the odometer for 5/8 the price of a new one I would probably jump on that deal, especially if the model had not changed other than color, and I knew that it was owned by a responsible adult who had not taken it to the drag races:D.

 The PB&J has not changed since it first came out other than graphics, and it seems to me that if a person was serious about buying that particular ski, and can get them basically brand new, with a brand new pair of Look Pivot bindings thrown in basically for free it would be pretty tempting. So, if I offered them for $650.00, I would be losing about $50.00 on a pair of skis I rode one time. And the buyer would be getting the skis for a pretty good price, but maybe it is not a low enough price to tempt anybody at this time. If, like you said you could buy these last year new for $600.00 plus about $200.00 for the bindings, then that would be $800.00 for the same skis. People will always want to get the best deal they can get, and sellers will always want to get the most out any sale that they can.

Anyway, skis only last a few seasons if they get ridden regularly, so I can just start wearing out these babies, and saving some wear and tear on some of my other skis:beercheer:

And you can keep on looking for the deal of the century on some skis that you can afford. After all, the chase is more fun than the capture.

 

Mike

post #12 of 17

I am looking for a pair of skis in that class for my son. Yours would be a very good fit. They are on our short list. I do understand where you are coming from, but that is not the reality of the used ski market. Basically, once you have mounted the bindings, the ski/binding package just became worth 50% of what you paid for it. That will seem unfair from your point of view, and I understand, but you have to see it from the buyers point of view.

 

Here are the issues with used skis:

 

1.  No waranty, I don't have a sales slip and can't bring them back for repair.

2.  My son has different size boots, I have to pay for a remount and that is not the best thing for a ski

3.  They can get damaged in shipping and then there is hassle involved.

4.  Unless you hand them to me, and I hand you the cash, there is some risk for both of us in the transaction

 

I have bought and sold a fair number of skis, my rule is the price is 1/2 of what I paid for them. I will admit I rarely turn around  skis that are not used some, so you could ask more like 60% and consider that pretty reasonalbe. So the $450 offer is pretty reasonable if the buyer pays shipping.

 

My 2 cents, I wish you the best.


Edited by bttocs - 3/1/16 at 9:21am
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi, no thanks on the offer for $450. Really? You want to offer me $450 for a pair of skis that lists at $750 mounted with a pair of $250 bindings? That was skied on one time for 4 hours. I'm sure you'll be able to find a pair for that price somewhere. Did you look on e-bay?

 These are pretty fantastic skis it turns out. I have been skiing on them a few times now, and really like them a lot. I hand tuned them to a 1 1/2 degree base edge bevel, made a huge difference in the handling! It just goes to show that even brand new skis need to be tuned properly. They ski a lot looser than they did originally, very fun, surfy skis, and yet hold an edge very well on firm snow. They ski much shorter than a 182cm ski normally skis, and yet still have good power, and love to go fast. I can see now why they are so popular. And it is nice to buy skis made in the good old U.S.A.

post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 

http://www.backcountryfreeskier.com/moment-pbj-freeride-ski/?gclid=CILgoPTgnssCFRSFfgodZw4MWQ

 

Here you go, I found your skis for you. 182cm PB&J with Look Pivot 12 bindings

post #15 of 17

fly2,

 

Thanks for your effort. I went to the link and the flat ski was $580, I like Salomon bindings, although the Look Pivots are excellent. I have a brand new pair of Salomons in my basement I paid $130 for on clearance. So I could get a new set up for $710. By my 50% rule, I should offer you $355 for a lightly used set of skis. Yours are in better shape (or they were) so $450-500 offers still seem reasonable to me. I do have some used skis I need to sell. Going by the way you price things, I would like to know if you are interested in buying them?

 

So on a less controversial note, I did buy new skis for my son. We demo'd them, got the $40 demo charge applied to the new skis. They are Liberty Origin 96 mm skis in 182 cm length. My son loved them. For 2016 skis, Tyrollia attack 13 bindings ($200) and a new set of poles (son broke his old ones) they charged me $700 including the mounting. the skis have a 3 year warranty. I was happy and so was my son.

 

Not to start another controversy, but the Liberty Origins are the best ski I have ever skied. There will be a new or used pair in my future. Check out their review on Blister and compare it to the PB&J review. Not saying the PB&J aren't good, they are.

post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 

Yes, I think I paid about $700 or so for the PB&J with bindings mounted. They would have been a good deal for somebody with the same size boot for $650 with only 4 hours use on them. And I was selling them right at peak season. Now everything is on sale for end of season bargains. It's all history now. I am really happy with the PB& J's, but there are always other new skis to try sometime. I would be interested in checking out the Liberty skis. There are sooo many Indie brands now it is hard to keep track of them all. That is why I was wondering if these guys are producing too many skis for the market? Where is Liberty made?

I should try to delete this thread I suppose, but I don't know how to do it?

post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 

No longer for sale. Thanks!!!

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