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Nordica Dobermann SL binding mount point?

post #1 of 20
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I recently picked up a pair of Nordica Dobermann SL 165 skis, the FIS model with plates on top.  There are no markings or indicators of any kind of help with where to mount the binding.  There is no tick mark for the center of the ski and the holes in the plate are also not marked.  Does anyone have any information for how to find the correct binding mount location on these?

post #2 of 20

If you bought them from a shop they should be able to provide you the information.  Unfortunately not all of these plates are alike.  Are they any instructions with the bindings?  You did get them with the bindings, right?

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Didn't get it from a local shop, its a last year close out.  I did get with some bindings, this ski does not come with only one kind of binding.  I haven't opened that box yet, but I will.  I doubt that information will be with the bindings as its more related to the ski then the binding.

post #4 of 20


If it is the Fis ski it has the marker piston plate.  I found them to work best for me with the toe piece in the center of the 3 holes and them position the hell to suit.  The Marker mounting guide tells you to use the rearmost toe hole for BSL up to ~ 315 IIRC but I preferred it in the center holes

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

yep marker piston plates. Can't remember boot sole size, approximately us size 9 shoe. Nordica also told me 730mm from the tail of the ski is the spot for the center of the boot, without regards to the binding plate. Where did you get the marker mounting guide info? 

 

Mine has more then 3 sets of holes on the front..more like 5 or 6 pairs of holes...so....doesn't completely match your description, must not be quite the same plate.


Edited by borntoski683 - 12/4/15 at 8:30pm
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by borntoski683 View Post

yep marker piston plates. Can't remember boot sole size, approximately us size 9 shoe. Nordica also told me 730mm from the tail of the ski is the spot for the center of the boot, without regards to the binding plate. Where did you get the marker mounting guide info? 

Mine has more then 3 sets of holes on the front..more like 5 or 6 pairs of holes...so....doesn't completely match your description, must not be quite the same plate.

Actually the new piston plates has 2 sets of holes for the toe. The rear ones for the comp binding and the front ones for the Xcel binding so whichever one you use you only have a choice of 3
post #7 of 20
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I will take a photo later
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by borntoski683 View Post
 

yep marker piston plates. Can't remember boot sole size, approximately us size 9 shoe. Nordica also told me 730mm from the tail of the ski is the spot for the center of the boot, without regards to the binding plate. Where did you get the marker mounting guide info? 

 

Mine has more then 3 sets of holes on the front..more like 5 or 6 pairs of holes...so....doesn't completely match your description, must not be quite the same plate.

 

If you PM me your email address I can send you a copy of the marker tech manual. Don't think it's available on the web anymore. They recommend using the rearmost toe holes up to 330 mm BSL to mount the binding to the plate, but if you do like ScotsSkier and use the middle one, then you can change the mount +/- 1 cm from the recommended afterwards without redrilling. For SL it's recommended to use the two rearmost set of toe holes to mount the plate to the ski. If you have two gliding bushings and two fixed ones for the heel, put gliding ones at the rearmost holes. There is also a flex element under the heel that can be placed in different positions for different effect. The softest one, most forward, so that it ends up just behind the rubber is recommended for SL.

 

Just mounted a pair of new GS skis and remounted my SL skis using a homemade paper template. It requires dynafit like precision to get the end of the plate to align perfectly in the back after mounting the front part. Managed barely on all four skis by levering in the right direction when tightening down the toe screws :rolleyes 

post #9 of 20

I amm assuming the plate is already mounted on the ski as Nordica comes with the plate pre mounted.  Here is the tech manual page on the holes.  It is really pretty straightforward, depending on which binding you are using there is only 3 position options on the toe.  The heels are the same on both bindings

 

post #10 of 20

hmm...

 

Premounted, yes remember reading about that and not quite understanding the benefit. Premounted and then recommending the same set of holes for BSL between 260 mm and 330 mm? Some people will end up pretty far away from the recommended midsole mark. Wonder what is the BSL that get the midsole mark end up on the recommended spot?

post #11 of 20
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So here is a photo of my marker plate on the nordica SL ski.  It looks slightly different then the guides that have been provided, but I can see now that perhaps some of you were referring to the 3 single holes just in front of the piston.  My binding is the Race XCell 12...  looks like maybe that toe is supposed to go in one of the other pairs of holes further forward?  Or maybe I'm not understanding something about the binding mount procedure..I'm by no means  knowledgable in that area.

 

Anyway, I added a red arrow to this picture.  That is 730mm from the tail of the ski.  When I asked Nordica customer support they responded that the mounting point...I presume the center point...is 730mm from the tail of this ski.  This happens to line up exactly with the raised ridge of plastic right there where I put the red arrow.  So perhaps I can just tell the guy mounting my binding to try to get as close as possible to lining up the center boot mark with that.  not sure whether I would want to err ahead of or behind that mark if the holes don't exactly line up.

 

 

 

 

post #12 of 20
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when I put the binding on the ski lining up the screws with the middle pair of holes, my 303mm boots line up pretty close with the mid sole mark to the 730mm from the tail "mount point" indicated by NordicaUSA via email informally from the product manager.   But I would like to get further clarification about that 730mm number.  

 

Using the rearward holes, per the marker guide, lines up the boot's mid sole mark 1 cm behind the 730mm measurement given to me from Nordica.

 

So....  I'm a bit at a loss as to what to do.  Putting in the middle position definitely allows me the option to move it back later, but I doubt I will move it once I start skiing on it, so just want to try to get it right the first time.

 

ScottSkier, why did you like it better 1cm forward from marker spec...and how does your book mid sole mark line up on the ski?

post #13 of 20
bTS

To be honest, I can't really understand your issue. With the Xcel binding, as I pointed out earlier, there is only a choice of 3 different toe positions where you can mount it. Period! The picture I posted identifies them. I have done 100+ mounts on piston plates,it is not difficult. While you may be trying to get a perfect line up with some mystical "centerpoint" I was trying to give you the benefit of experience from actually skiing on and experimenting with the mount position on the Nordica slalom. That is why I suggested the center position rather than the rear mount shown in the manual. From a lot of testing I found it faster that way....
post #14 of 20
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Yes I understand that Scott about three hole positions, I'm not saying otherwise.  I am just trying to understand whether I should use the marker recommendation of the first position, or Nordica's recommendation of lining up the mid sole mark on the boot to the point 730mm from the tail of the ski (which would be the second hole position that you favor).

 

If you could comment a bit about why you prefer that position, you say faster...ok...but how exactly does it effect handling of the ski in your experience?  Since I'm getting two different messages from Nordica and marker, I'm inclined to go with Nordica's recommendation, which also seems to line up with your own experience, but I am hoping for more specific information then that.

post #15 of 20


I think you are suffering from paralysis by analysis here.  The ski works better for me in the middle position because for me it hooks up better and helps me stay ahead in gates.  I go by feel and time on the clock.  Only things that count for me. I really pay no attention to where it is compared to the 'factory' mark or measurement.   In the same way I found that the Head RD slalom works best  3/4" ahead of the mark for me.   YMMV but trying to give you a good starting point.  You do realize of course that it takes less than 5 minutes to relocate to a different position on the plate to experiment?  You are not redrilling or anything.  If you move toe by one and heel by one you should not even need to readjust forward pressure

 

Pick a spot and try it!  :)     Given my suggestion ties up with the nordica rec. that would suggest a good starting point.  Remember that the marker tech manual is non ski specific.

 

And your plate seems to be exactly the same as the one in the picture i posted.  Not surprising as the plates are all basically the same apart form occasional changes in the shape at the front.  The only difference is that the diagram shows the front plate mount in the GS position whereas yours is mounted in the slalom position (the 2 metal "fingers" at the front closer together

post #16 of 20
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I think you are suffering from paralysis by analysis here.  

 

How so?  strange comment...  

 

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The ski works better for me in the middle position because for me it hooks up better and helps me stay ahead in gates.  I go by feel and time on the clock.  Only things that count for me. I really pay no attention to where it is compared to the 'factory' mark or measurement.  

 

well you just got done telling us that you don't mount the binding per the marker spec you mount it 1cm forward of that and that you like it better.  I'm just trying to understand better why you like it better.  Your feedback is not specific enough, I'm afraid, to draw any useful conclusion other then it works well for you...thanks for that, but guess I would have to go with the factory spec first, without more information to go on.  There are a lot of people out there skiing in different ways, some strange, some not...so...  I would need to know more in order to avoid factory specs.  The problem is two conflicting pieces of advice, one from The Marker plate guide and one from the Nordica product manager.

 

 

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In the same way I found that the Head RD slalom works best  3/4" ahead of the mark for me.  

 

Ok, you may have some preference for a more forward position, but I would need to understand a lot more about your skiing to know what that means exactly or whether I would want to do that.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

 

You do realize of course that it takes less than 5 minutes to relocate to a different position on the plate to experiment?  You are not redrilling or anything.  If you move toe by one and heel by one you should not even need to readjust forward pressure

 

I'm not a binding tech and that's just personally something I don't want to mess with.  I will pay someone to mount and check the bindings and that will probably be where I leave it.   There are a lot of opinions out there anyway about where to mount bindings..its not an exact science.  But I just prefer to be as close as possible to the factory recommended starting point.  I'm leaning towards Nordica's recommendation rather then Marker's.

 

 

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 Given my suggestion ties up with the nordica rec. that would suggest a good starting point.  Remember that the marker tech manual is non ski specific.

 

Well I think this is a very significant point about the marker guide being non ski specific while the plate must be mounted on the ski in a certain place for reason, its perfectly possible that its not mounted to the ski in a way that makes the marker instructions and the nordica instructions completely harmonious.  I think I am tending towards using the Nordica information they sent me informally via email...get the mid sole mark of the boot at 730mm from the tail of the ski...which is the middle plate holes, the place you seem to like.

 

Anyway Scott you seem kind of angry or defiant in some way, not sure why.  I just asked a simple question.  Thanks for your feedback.


Edited by borntoski683 - 12/6/15 at 1:01pm
post #17 of 20
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Yes I understand that Scott about three hole positions, I'm not saying otherwise.  I am just trying to understand whether I should use the marker recommendation of the first position, or Nordica's recommendation of lining up the mid sole mark on the boot to the point 730mm from the tail of the ski (which would be the second hole position that you favor).

If you could comment a bit about why you prefer that position, you say faster...ok...but how exactly does it effect handling of the ski in your experience?  Since I'm getting two different messages from Nordica and marker, I'm inclined to go with Nordica's recommendation, which also seems to line up with your own experience, but I am hoping for more specific information then that.
You should line up the boot according to Nordicas recommendation. Marker doesn't know the flex profile of the ski, so its more of a blanket recommendation.
post #18 of 20
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Thanks Clink!  I think probably I will do that.

post #19 of 20
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How so?  strange comment...  

 

 

well you just got done telling us that you don't mount the binding per the marker spec you mount it 1cm forward of that and that you like it better.  I'm just trying to understand better why you like it better.  Your feedback is not specific enough, I'm afraid, to draw any useful conclusion other then it works well for you...thanks for that, but guess I would have to go with the factory spec first, without more information to go on.  There are a lot of people out there skiing in different ways, some strange, some not...so...  I would need to know more in order to avoid factory specs.  The problem is two conflicting pieces of advice, one from The Marker plate guide and one from the Nordica product manager.

 

 

 

Ok, you may have some preference for a more forward position, but I would need to understand a lot more about your skiing to know what that means exactly or whether I would want to do that.

 

 

 

I'm not a binding tech and that's just personally something I don't want to mess with.  I will pay someone to mount and check the bindings and that will probably be where I leave it.   There are a lot of opinions out there anyway about where to mount bindings..its not an exact science.  But I just prefer to be as close as possible to the factory recommended starting point.  I'm leaning towards Nordica's recommendation rather then Marker's.

 

 

 

Well I think this is a very significant point about the marker guide being non ski specific while the plate must be mounted on the ski in a certain place for reason, its perfectly possible that its not mounted to the ski in a way that makes the marker instructions and the nordica instructions completely harmonious.  I think I am tending towards using the Nordica information they sent me informally via email...get the mid sole mark of the boot at 730mm from the tail of the ski...which is the middle plate holes, the place you seem to like.

 

Anyway Scott you seem kind of angry or defiant in some way, not sure why.  I just asked a simple question.  Thanks for your feedback.


no, just somewhat frustrated because you asked the same question several times and got the same answers,  guess there is a comprehension problem somewhere.  I have tried to give you some answers based on experience.  If you choose to ignore them that is fine but they won't change if you ask the same question.  

post #20 of 20
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relax ScottSkier.  If you read my previous posts a little more carefully you can see where I acknowledged already that I didn't notice the three hole thing previous before and then later observed it.  You are getting all worked up for nothing.  I am by no means a binding mount expert, so my apologies if my questions seem silly to you to to ask what may seem like idiotic questions.

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