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Wow, I thought someone was having fun with PhotoShop!
I love to ski on 123, 117, 105, 91, 88 and sub-70 mm skis with rocker, early rise, 5-point design as well as traditional camber. It just depends on the snow conditions and what I'm getting into for the day.
My wide skis work really well on groomers without requiring high speeds and my 58 y.o. knees never complain despite multiple surgeries and a pair of ACL reconstructions.
I ski the groomers in the same way on my 123s as I do my SL skis. Lots of turns at manageable and safe speeds. I don't get in the back seat and 'drive the bus'. Ever. Ok, if I'm trying to be silly, I might. I also do Royal Christies, cross-overs, javelin turns and (what I call) dipsie-doodles (skiing little toe edge to little toe edge with the outside ski raised) because I enjoy keeping the old tricks alive.
What I don't do is take the 123s out for a day of ice or take the sub-70s out for a day in powder. It's just common sense.
Love that move and never knew what to call it! It's a strangely relaxing motion to me on the right terrain, like swinging on a long rope swing. Anyway...I'm stealing it...dipsie doodle!
And in the spirit of keeping us on topic ...it can be done on fat and skinny skis. Really.
I've heard those referred to as "Charlestons", like this here...
But if you do em, call em whatever you want.
To give a legend his due, Dipsy Doodle described here, and shown below...
Sounds good, but ... common sense? That'll never fly here!
I chuckle, as a ski mechanic, when I see all the skis come into the shop. There are practically as many names for rocker, early rise and other styles of camber as there are models of skis. Basically, though, there are 4 types: 1) Full Rocker (banana), 2) Rocker Tip and/or Tail (the front and/or back of the ski is bent up considerably), 3) Early Rise (just a slight up bend of the ski between the shovel and the middle of the ski) and 4) Traditional.
The Charleston on skis? I don't think I have the skills for that, on any width of ski.
Here's something I'm curious about. Let me start with a pic from a recent ski mag...
Common for frontside skis to have pretty blunt tips these days, as with the Pursuit 800. Why not just add something like this?
OK, that addition as pictured above might be a little exaggerated, but I think you get the idea: Without changing anything else about the ski by simply extending the tip out beyond the contact point according to conventional wisdom wouldn't that make the ski a lot more versatile for off piste (powder, crud) skiing? If it doesn't add significant swing weight (as with the "honeycomb" structure of the Rossi 7 series) shouldn't have much of an impact on the piste performance, right?
I've never really understood the blunt tip thing anyway. Seems to me however much it might extend beyond the contact point a tip should be more spear shaped to punch through stuff better when needed. Style over substance?
At 1:30 the step looks like if they were on skis they would indeed be 'doing the Charleston', I can see why they take the name here.
That is pretty much what the narrower versions of the Rossi 7 line are. They've tacked some on the tail as well to complete the picture. What they don't do is apply this to a very narrow waisted ski. The Smash 7 is a 92 mm ski with rockered tip and tail that has a 23 m radius. Not exactly a carver, but closer than the Squad 7 with a 120 mm waist and 30 m radius.
My Zag Zs have a 91 mm waist, 17 m radius, a rockered tip and a slightly raised tail. So it is being done. They are high performers on the hard pack and quite competent in the 3D.
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This explains why even when skiing at a sedate pace with students I regularly overtake straightliners using the latest and greatest.
Yep, once you get in the habit of waxing regularly, it's hard to stop. Anything less than effortless gliding feels like horse manure. Interesting points that different widths of skis might benefit from different base structure patterns - and that skier habits on fatter skis often lead to greater base abuse.
I think it is more of a groomer weapon. The Pursuit looks like a nasty off piste tool indeed. The taper you illustrate is not needed on the smooth so it's style and substance, the P800 is a substantial ski indeed.
I was just skiing my Powertrack 89 and thinking exactly your observation. They are a vicious carver for an 89 waist yet smear nicely in bumps, trees and steeps.
True about the Ferrari, but my 123 mm waisted Bent Chetlers can make turns like a SL ski in edge-able snow with a good foot and a half overhang at tip and tail. So you can get wide ranging characteristics out of a single ski by adding tip and tail rocker to a ski with edge contact like a SL (albeit nearly twice as wide) ski. Not for everyone, but if you like to ski powder and navigate the groomers in between, a nice, workable combination.
Serendipitously while looking for other stuff I stumbled across this article in the December 1996 Ski Magazine...
The Man On The Medal by Peter Shelton
Note at the bottom right of page 96 there who describes how Durrance did his Dipsy Doodle.
To each his own. We all have different results in mind when we hit the slopes.
JASP, do you deliberately choose to ski 4 feet of powder on SL skis? If so, why?
To no one in particular...
My daily driver is my Zag Z (184cm, 17m, 130/91/112 mm). Soon to be augmented by a Cham 107 (183 cm, 18 m, 137/107/122) 'freeride' ski. It will handle the 3D snow with aplomb and grip and turn neat race turns on the groomer. When it dumps I bring out the Bent Chetlers (184cm) or the Cham 117s (190cm). I race on 215 Fischer DHs (r>40). I own SL skis that I use a lot on the WROD along with GS and SG skis of various sizes.
The type of ski that @jc-ski 'designed' and I suggest currently exists (for example my Zag Z) is a very capable all mountain ski with characteristics that someone with the funds for only one ski would appreciate. It has a short turning radius for dicing the groomers, it has length induced stability for managing speed well, it provides ample flotation for driving into and over 3D snow, both powder and crud. It may appear to be a 'jack of all trades, master of none', but in my experience it makes for a terrific 'go to' ski for days when you might encounter all types of conditions.