Originally Posted by madriversven
I am trying to figure out after reading everything I could find on both nordica skis whether I should go Helldorado or Patron. I want to get a 2nd Ski to go along with my 88 waisted Salomon XDrive 8.8, which I use for east coast hills. The 2nd ski will be for out west daily drive resort inbounds and resort off piste for anything over 6 inches plus.
The question I have is if I am a heavy skier (5’7”, 220 lbs) do I automatically go Helldorado (metal) due to my weight or should I go with Patron (non-metal) since this will be more for soft snow uses?
I usually ski all the back bowls at Vail and all the peaks at Breck lift serviced, but that is the most I will do. No skinning, etc. so ski weight isn't an issue. Starting to get overwhelmed when I get big snow drops and the XDrive 8.8 can't handle it. Want to get a 108-115mm waist for soft snow. Directional skier. Was looking at a 177 Helldorado or Patron, but maybe could be talked into a 185 if that would be better. Open to all suggestions and all brands
I am not a huge fan of super stiff skis for deeper snow: but you have 70lbs on me! With that said, I have skied some burly skis (BMX108 in 188cm, 1st generation) and they are mind-blowing in terms of stability in a wide open bowl. I can still remember skiing The Slot at Squaw on those, absolutely flying, completely in control. But those skis aren't a lot of fun in tighter spaces or bumps. A softer bigger ski (whether it has metal or not) is really going to give you more short-turn ease, quickness in trees, bigger sweet spot. Your priorities will determine what type of ski you want. For example, the new Kastle BMX105 HP and Stockli Stormrider 107 have metal, but are not burly in any sense of the word. I would gladly take either into the steep trees and feel totally on top of my game. But the Blizzard Cochise is a much stronger ski, more demanding, really likes to be open at bigger speeds, and is a different beast: I would love to have that ski on my feet in wide open situations, but not so much in tight trees or some sort of liftline bumps. I wouldn't say it is strictly metal vs non-metal, but each ski will have it's overall character and speed it is happiest at. That old BMX108 (with metal) was happiest at 35mph+. The Cochise isn't quite like that, but still 25mph+. The SR107 is more like 15-30mph for sweet spot, making it a more varied ski.