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post #31 of 57

We skied Mount Snow last year the weekend before Christmas and it skied great.  80-90% of the mountain was open and the conditions were very good as there had been decent natural snowfall to that point and sufficient snowmaking (Butternut in Great Barrington was 100% open that weekend).  Around Christmas, everything was pretty much gone as it got warm and rained and rained and rained.  Thankfully, by mid-January or so, most of the mountains were fully recovered.

 

This year is a different story.  The temps have been warm all fall.  They are not getting below freezing at night sometimes.  And they are hitting 50s during the day in a lot of places.  We are going to Mount Snow on the 19th and 20th, but our expectations are very low.  I can't see how they can get adequate coverage in 10 days based on the forecasts.

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Check k-zone and the Killington website. The president or CEO or whatever his title is, does a pretty good job communicating with his customers. Last week, their focus was improving already open terrain and last week had far better snowmaking windows than this week promises. They did not open a single new trail last week.

 

 

 

You did note I said I was at Killington currently.  Guns have been going for the last two days non-stop, mostly on new terrain.  Here's what the K website says tonight.

 

"6:01 pm 12/09/15--With resurfacing complete for now, Killington snowmakers have moved into expansion mode again, building base depth on the next round of trails they plan to open in the North Ridge, Killington Peak, and Ramshead areas." 

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You did note I said I was at Killington currently.  Guns have been going for the last two days non-stop, mostly on new terrain.  Here's what the K website says tonight.

 

"6:01 pm 12/09/15--With resurfacing complete for now, Killington snowmakers have moved into expansion mode again, building base depth on the next round of trails they plan to open in the North Ridge, Killington Peak, and Ramshead areas." 


You did note that I used past tense and suggested that they go to the exact website you quoted...

post #34 of 57

Just another opinion but the early season conditions for New England have not been good.  Okemo can make a LOT of snow and they know their grooming very well, but there's only so much you can do with cold at night... make snow and groom... warm all day, melt snow into ice... rinse and repeat.  

 

I would seriously consider biting the bullet and driving up into Canada.  Nothing looks good any further south.  Banf and Lake Louise look to be about as good as you can find in the east right now.  

 

Or bite the bullet for $$ and fly the gang out to Denver  and pick just about any resort out that way.  The east is a real skiing bummer right now and I doubt it will change much over the next two weeks.  We were going to scoot up to Okemo this coming weekend but decided it just wasn't worth the drive and cost to ski in those conditions.  

 

Hate to be a buzz killer but that's how I see it right now.  

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I would seriously consider biting the bullet and driving up into Canada.  Nothing looks good any further south.  Banf and Lake Louise look to be about as good as you can find in the east right now.  

 

Banff and LL would be great right now, but they are just a tad west of being in the east  :)

post #36 of 57

My bad.  I was thinking Massif and St. Anne.  Sorry about that, I was too lazy to look them up.  Those don't look any better than any of the other eastern resorts though.  We just don't have any snow out this way.  

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Looks like the weather has taken a turn for the worse. Colder for a couple days then another warm up in the forecast. It doesn't seem worth it to justify the long drive for the few runs that still open in marginal conditions. We may have to scrap the ski trip this Winter break. Bummer!

post #38 of 57

Yesterday was nearly 70° here in NE PA.  It's been on local news how the warm weather is making the Pocono ski areas nervous, as typically the Christmas-New Years time period can make or break a season for them.  And then looking at weather.com there is a good sized storm moving into the Wasatch and Rockies area. Seems mother nature is making things up to the western ski areas for being so stingy the past few years.

post #39 of 57
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Looks like the weather has taken a turn for the worse. Colder for a couple days then another warm up in the forecast. It doesn't seem worth it to justify the long drive for the few runs that still open in marginal conditions. We may have to scrap the ski trip this Winter break. Bummer!


Ironically, the fact that ski areas in NC/VA/WV aren't very big may help them out for this Christmas season.  With the 100% snowmaking infrastructure that's been developed in the last decade, they can blow a lot of snow in a short period of time.  Once the cold front arrives, you know they will be doing everything they can to open as much as they can.  I bet Snowshoe is going to be packed per usual.

 

The founder of SkiSE is the most optimistic guy around.  Below is part of what Mike had to say this morning.

 

The coldest air of this warm fall arrives Thursday night and Friday. And with the cold, snow showers are expected Friday, mainly along the western escarpment of the Appalachians. Snow showers and flurries last into Friday night. Saturday has clearing skies and cold temperatures. Finally some help for the ski slopes and the feel of winter on the last weekend before Christmas.

It’s going to be a quick, 3-day cold snap as milder air returns quickly next week.

Snowshoe and the West Virginia and Maryland ski areas could see 1-3″ of natural snow and most all of the resorts will have around-the-clock snow-making opportunities on Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday and into Sunday night. That could mean around 48-60 hours of snow-making temps for many of the ski areas and at least 30-36 hours of snow-making for some of the Virginia and Tennessee ski resorts.

PREPARE TO BE AMAZED…

You’re not going to believe how great the conditions will be come Sunday and Monday of next week (December 20th and 21st) and that is GREAT NEWS if you’re planning on heading to your favorite ski area for some Holiday skiing and snowboarding.

Resorts SHOULD be able to get their core slopes and trails open with a good base. That is the good news. Our snow-makers are the best in the business and you won’t believe how pretty things will look via all of the webcams about a week from today.

post #40 of 57
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Ironically, the fact that ski areas in NC/VA/WV aren't very big may help them out for this Christmas season.  With the 100% snowmaking infrastructure that's been developed in the last decade, they can blow a lot of snow in a short period of time.  Once the cold front arrives, you know they will be doing everything they can to open as much as they can.  I bet Snowshoe is going to be packed per usual.

 

 

My "home mountain" is actually the tiny Bryce Resort. Doesn't look like they will get cold enough to make snow. Or maybe Accuweather isn't accurate - they are not showing around the clock snow making temperature for Snowshoe either... One could only hope.

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Ironically, the fact that ski areas in NC/VA/WV aren't very big may help them out for this Christmas season.  With the 100% snowmaking infrastructure that's been developed in the last decade, they can blow a lot of snow in a short period of time.  Once the cold front arrives, you know they will be doing everything they can to open as much as they can.  I bet Snowshoe is going to be packed per usual.

 

 

My "home mountain" is actually the tiny Bryce Resort. Doesn't look like they will get cold enough to make snow. Or maybe Accuweather isn't accurate - they are not showing around the clock snow making temperature for Snowshoe either... One could only hope.


My home mountain is Massanutten. Mnut hasn't done anything but a quick test of the snow guns a few weeks ago.  I don't consider Accuweather worth much for any ski area.  My sense is that all the ski areas that are still around in NC/VA/WV are essentially in a micro-climate that usually means it's colder than the surrounding area.  I know that's true for Mnut sticking up  in the middle of the Shenandoah Valley.  The ski area has been around for more than 40 years, long before 100% snowmaking paid for by timeshare sales.  Snowmaking technology is only part of the story.

 

Like Mnut, Bryce has added snowmaking capability in recent years.  Whether that's enough before Christmas, hard to say.  But in the ten years that I've been skiing Mnut the week before Christmas there was only one that they weren't open at all.  Even that year, they managed to get the core trails open by Dec. 26.  Automated snow guns can put down a lot of snow in 12 hours.  Used to be that DJ from the summit might open later, but the last couple years it was open the first week of the season.


I'm going to keep checking SkiSE daily and think COLD! :) 

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My home mountain is Massanutten. Mnut hasn't done anything but a quick test of the snow guns a few weeks ago.  I don't consider Accuweather worth much for any ski area.  My sense is that all the ski areas that are still around in NC/VA/WV are essentially in a micro-climate that usually means it's colder than the surrounding area.  I know that's true for Mnut sticking up  in the middle of the Shenandoah Valley.  The ski area has been around for more than 40 years, long before 100% snowmaking paid for by timeshare sales.  Snowmaking technology is only part of the story.

 

Like Mnut, Bryce has added snowmaking capability in recent years.  Whether that's enough before Christmas, hard to say.  But in the ten years that I've been skiing Mnut the week before Christmas there was only one that they weren't open at all.  Even that year, they managed to get the core trails open by Dec. 26.  Automated snow guns can put down a lot of snow in 12 hours.  Used to be that DJ from the summit might open later, but the last couple years it was open the first week of the season.


I'm going to keep checking SkiSE daily and think COLD! :) 

If Mnut manages to open a few runs during Winter break, I will stop by if I am at Bryce. It's pretty close to Bryce.

post #43 of 57
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If Mnut manages to open a few runs during Winter break, I will stop by if I am at Bryce. It's pretty close to Bryce.

Yep, about an hour away.  Have you skied much at Mnut before?  I started driving there when my daughter was 4 and old enough for ski school.  We are timeshare owners.

 

The first ski shop manager at Mnut came from Bryce.  As did the former head of Snowsports who designed the improvement plan for the lift upgrades in the last 5-6 years.  Bryce instructors often attend the PSIA training clinics at Mnut in late Feb.  I'm not an instructor but have observed the training clinics for a couple years.  I take full advantage of being retired to do the Silver Clinic for Over 50 folks because it's taught by one of the most experienced instructors at Mnut.  He helps to train the Mnut instructors.

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Yep, about an hour away.  Have you skied much at Mnut before?  I started driving there when my daughter was 4 and old enough for ski school.  We are timeshare owners.

 

The first ski shop manager at Mnut came from Bryce.  As did the former head of Snowsports who designed the improvement plan for the lift upgrades in the last 5-6 years.  Bryce instructors often attend the PSIA training clinics at Mnut in late Feb.  I'm not an instructor but have observed the training clinics for a couple years.  I take full advantage of being retired to do the Silver Clinic for Over 50 folks because it's taught by one of the most experienced instructors at Mnut.  He helps to train the Mnut instructors.

I have never skied at Mnut, and only really started skiing Bryce last year. I live much closer to Snowtime resorts. Just about 1.5 hour away. But they are impossibly crowded during weekends and holidays. We normally go to Snowshoe for Winter break. I am going to try Mnut and Canaan Valley this year while I am at Bryce.

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Yep, about an hour away.  Have you skied much at Mnut before?  I started driving there when my daughter was 4 and old enough for ski school.  We are timeshare owners.

 

The first ski shop manager at Mnut came from Bryce.  As did the former head of Snowsports who designed the improvement plan for the lift upgrades in the last 5-6 years.  Bryce instructors often attend the PSIA training clinics at Mnut in late Feb.  I'm not an instructor but have observed the training clinics for a couple years.  I take full advantage of being retired to do the Silver Clinic for Over 50 folks because it's taught by one of the most experienced instructors at Mnut.  He helps to train the Mnut instructors.

I have never skied at Mnut, and only really started skiing Bryce last year. I live much closer to Snowtime resorts. Just about 1.5 hour away. But they are impossibly crowded during weekends and holidays. We normally go to Snowshoe for Winter break. I am going to try Mnut and Canaan Valley this year while I am at Bryce.


Ah, you are probably like my friend who used to live in Columbia.  She moved this fall, but used to spend Thanksgiving at Snowshoe.  She used to drive to Whitetail, ski from 8:00 to about 11:30 and then go home.  Plus some nights at Liberty.  Lucky for her, she's closer to New England now so drove up to Lake Placid and skied Whiteface this Thanksgiving.

 

For more than you want to know about Mnut, check out my Unofficial Guide.  Haven't updated it yet for the new ski school building and renovations around the main lodge.  I drive 4 hours, going past Wintergreen, to ski at Mnut for assorted reasons but one of the most important is that there is never a lift line for Lift 6 (summit lift, 2 blacks of decent length and pitch) even on holiday weekends.  Another plus for Mnut is the ski school for both kids and adults.  The terrain at Mnut has very good progression from beginner to intermediate to adv. intermediate to advanced.  I've learned a lot as an advanced skier from the Level 3 instructors.

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/massanutten-an-unofficial-guide

 

Haven't skied CV but went to Timberline last Jan with a friend.  We stayed at the CV Lodge and quite liked that.  Good restaurant.  She went for a weekend at CV with her teen daughter later in the season.  They are both intermediates who learned in VA the last 4-5 years.  They liked CV.

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Ah, you are probably like my friend who used to live in Columbia.  She moved this fall, but used to spend Thanksgiving at Snowshoe.  She used to drive to Whitetail, ski from 8:00 to about 11:30 and then go home.  Plus some nights at Liberty.  Lucky for her, she's closer to New England now so drove up to Lake Placid and skied Whiteface this Thanksgiving.

 

For more than you want to know about Mnut, check out my Unofficial Guide.

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/massanutten-an-unofficial-guide

 

 

I read your Mnut guide before. Very well written. I am not yet 50, but has been silver for a while. You think I could sneak into Mnut Silver Clinic? :-)

 

For Whitetail, yes it's only good from open 8:30 to perhaps 10:30-11AM before the crowd becomes a bit too much. I normally leave by 12-12:30 at the latest.

 

Anyway, I do very little Snowtime now because of the crowd. So checking out Mnut and CV and/or Timberline is the next thing on my list.

post #48 of 57

I'm going to Mt. Snow this weekend, but it is not looking good.  I left the bike rack on the car as I think I have a better shot at a nice bike ride.

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I may finally get a little ski after all. I had planned on being at Bryce this weekend for other activities. But looks like Canaan Valley is opening Saturday from 12PM and Sunday full day. So I will probably go there on Sunday or both days. It's only 2 hours from Bryce. They will definitely be less crowded than Snowshoe.

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Ah, you are probably like my friend who used to live in Columbia.  She moved this fall, but used to spend Thanksgiving at Snowshoe.  She used to drive to Whitetail, ski from 8:00 to about 11:30 and then go home.  Plus some nights at Liberty.  Lucky for her, she's closer to New England now so drove up to Lake Placid and skied Whiteface this Thanksgiving.

 

For more than you want to know about Mnut, check out my Unofficial Guide.

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/massanutten-an-unofficial-guide

 

 

I read your Mnut guide before. Very well written. I am not yet 50, but has been silver for a while. You think I could sneak into Mnut Silver Clinic? :-)

 

For Whitetail, yes it's only good from open 8:30 to perhaps 10:30-11AM before the crowd becomes a bit too much. I normally leave by 12-12:30 at the latest.

 

Anyway, I do very little Snowtime now because of the crowd. So checking out Mnut and CV and/or Timberline is the next thing on my list.


Thanks.  If you look the part, I bet you could do a Silver Clinic.  I remember a friend with silver hair getting a senior lift ticket out west even though she was a year or two from the cutoff.  She didn't say anything one way or another, simply smiled when she was told the price.

 

Walter usually does the Silver Clinic.  He's Level 3 and helps with a lot of the instructor training at Mnut.  I've learned a lot from him.  Especially useful to know how to practice fundamental skills that I'm working on as an advanced skier given the limited terrain.

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I may finally get a little ski after all. I had planned on being at Bryce this weekend for other activities. But looks like Canaan Valley is opening Saturday from 12PM and Sunday full day. So I will probably go there on Sunday or both days. It's only 2 hours from Bryce. They will definitely be less crowded than Snowshoe.


Have you ever checked out DCSki.com ?  Best place for the latest about WV skiing.

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Have you ever checked out DCSki.com ?  Best place for the latest about WV skiing.

That's where I got the news!

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Have you ever checked out DCSki.com ?  Best place for the latest about WV skiing.

That's where I got the news!


No question, you are fully addicted to skiing.  Hope you find some decent snow!  :D

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No question, you are fully addicted to skiing.  Hope you find some decent snow!  :D

No question, my morning read! DCSKI and EPICSKI!

post #55 of 57

So where are you with this?

Skied Okemo Monday. It's not looking good right now.

I would not ski the 19th if you're coming from Va. The 26th is looking better but that's a hope. Plus, it's vacation week. Those who haven't cancelled will be there and who knows how much terrain.

The hope is that cold air arrives sat and sun. They need it to make snow so one can ski back to the base.

Right now you need to be an intermediate at least to avoid stuff and people since skiing low is not really a good option. (big dirt patches)

 

It was better a week ago or two weeks. It's been too warm. Everyone is in the same boat central and south. Maybe Sugarbush and north is better. Certainly not Killington.

 

Could you go out west? Honestly, right now central and southern vt not so good at all. Northern ain't that much better. To travel that far...with kids. Maybe Feb break?

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So where are you with this?

Skied Okemo Monday. It's not looking good right now.

I would not ski the 19th if you're coming from Va. The 26th is looking better but that's a hope.

The hope is that cold air arrives sat and sun. They need it so one can ski back to the base.

Right now you need to be an intermediate at least to avoid stuff and people since skiing low is not really a good option. (big dirt patches)

 

Could you go out west?

We have decided no travel to VT (not worth drive) or West (late in the game planning) this Winter break. Probably just local mid Atlantic resorts for a day or two here and there, when they do open.

post #57 of 57

Well that makes sense. Last year Christmas was very near 100% open. Woods trails were open. Then mid to late Jan was warm until the cold came and stayed for nearly two months.

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