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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

I'm looking for skis for my 9 yr old daughter.  She's a big kid for her age, at around 4'9'' (1.45m) and I think 85 pounds.  She's fairly fit/active, i.e. bikes to school every day, and swims a couple of times/week thru winter.

 

She skis at an intermediate level.  Comfortable on blues, not fully parallel but well on the way there.  Last year we did about a dozen days, and this year it's looking like 15-20 so feels like time to make a purchase (she already has boots).

 

We did our first days of the season recently (at Kirkwood) and rented her skis from the resort.  The person working at the ski rental place suggested 146, but it looked a little long to me so we went with a 136 (K2 AMP Strike jr) and that seemed to work out fine.

 

The priority is to get a ski that is great this season - if it's too small next season, then so be it.  For length I was thinking about 140 but would appreciate input.  Looking at some old threads, it seems like it's better to err on the short side if in doubt.  Another question is the core - is it worth spending the extra $$$ for wood core at this level?  And of course specific ski suggestions are most welcome.  Thanks in advance!

post #2 of 16

My 9 year old son is the same size and weight, more or less. The Volk Gotama Jr. is a nice ski if she values maneuverability and it actually has rocker. But most of the skis for smaller juniors are made by either Elan or Fischer anyway, basically same ski with different brand top sheets. 140 is fine. 

post #3 of 16
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It looks they discontinued the Gotama Jr, or maybe they just renamed it to the Mantra Jr:

 

http://www.volkl.com/skis/freeski/junior/mantra-jr.html

 

In any case, my daughter has expressed a fondness for the colors on the Pyra Jr (http://www.volkl.com/skis/freeski/junior/pyra-jr.html) and it doesn't look like a bad choice (in 138) so maybe we'll go with that :-)

post #4 of 16
Saw the new Mantra Jrs, looks like the old Gotama Jr to me- full mellow rocker.
My daughter 12, is on her third pair, 118, 1`28, now 158s. She always skied better on this ski than anything else. This year, we'll see as last year she didn't have a pair and fell in love with skiing her 17m radius(not a typo) GS skis. But then , last season it was pretty firm everywhere we skied. In fact I think the Canyons, when we were there, skied firmer than Pennsylvania! Other Utah resorts not so much.
post #5 of 16
Full rocker ski is bad for a skier who is not yet parallel. They only benefit from the rocker off piste where they never go at this stage.
post #6 of 16
The full rocker thing could be debated forever but when she was younger (7ish? hard to remember)
She clearly carved parallel turns better on her Got Jrs than her traditional K2 Luv Bugs.
I think because she was very light she didn't have to work hard to decamber them. YMMV
post #7 of 16
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A quick update.  We got the Volkl Pyra Jr and my daughter has skied 7-8 days on them so far.  No complaints, lots of fun, and her skill & confidence level is steadily increasing so all in all a happy purchase.

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Originally Posted by peterm View Post
 

A quick update.  We got the Volkl Pyra Jr and my daughter has skied 7-8 days on them so far.  No complaints, lots of fun, and her skill & confidence level is steadily increasing so all in all a happy purchase.

Is it truly full rocker? In other words, if you hold the skis together without squeezing, they only touch in the center point? I ask because website info is notoriously unreliable for kids skis, and reviews are rare.

 

BTW, I found the weight, listed as 1045g/ski 139cm size.

post #9 of 16
FWIW, both my sons had the Goat Jr, was true full rocker, they liked it in terrain park, in bumps and in soft snow, wanted a bit more grip on firm. Suspect any full rocker design will be easy to learn on, hoot in forgiving conditions, but she may outgrow its performance about same time as its length when she gets into carving.
post #10 of 16

Reigniting this thread.  I also have a 9yo daughter.  Intermediate skier, fast, likes to ski everywhere - groomed, crazy off-piste gullies and steeps, park (mainly kickers, no switch riding yet) and bumps.  She's on 130cm Dynastar Cham Pros or some low-grade shit from Any Mountain for the second season and they're getting a little short, so I'll give them back at the end of the season.  Looking at the sidecut they're definitely a frontside ski made for groomers and I'm looking for ideas on a more-substantial ski that may be a little wider, more stable at speed and more all-mountain oriented.  She wants to try switch, so maybe a little flip in the tail, but still enough sidecut that she won't be trying to learn to carve on 30m-radius skis...

 

Anyone have additional suggestions / comparables to the Volkl Pyra Jr mentioned above??

post #11 of 16
Uh, if you read the thread, you'd know that at 130 cm the "low grade shit" is also the high grade shit is also the middle grade shit. As several of us have noted there are a few skis in the 138/140 range that begin to show small differences, the Volkl skis mentioned are nice full rocker versions. But most companies will offer twins in that range, difference being full rocker. Not aware of any 140-ish skis that have metal or are substantially beefier. At near 150 cm, she will have choices for juniors or small adult women. Keep in mind that in a year to a year and a half your daughter will begin to grow like it's going out of style, and whatever you buy for next season wI'll only fit her for 16-17.
post #12 of 16

Uh, thanks.  I can't read, so I appreciate your filling me in.

 

If anyone can provide, as requested, additional alternatives to the Volkls and rank-beginner skis like the Dynastar Cham / K2 Luv bugs in that 140 range I'd be very appreciative.  I've now been informed there "are a few"...

post #13 of 16
I have no comments here.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by makakio View Post
 

Uh, thanks.  I can't read, so I appreciate your filling me in.

 

If anyone can provide, as requested, additional alternatives to the Volkls and rank-beginner skis like the Dynastar Cham / K2 Luv bugs in that 140 range I'd be very appreciative.  I've now been informed there "are a few"...

Well, you may read just fine, but you're making incorrect assumptions. Your statements like "rank beginner skis," applied to little kids' skis, are based on a misapprehension. You're applying assumptions about adult skis to kids' skis. But there is no 140 cm model that corresponds to "beginner;" or "expert." Kids learn to ski at all ages. So skis in this length range do not have dramatic differences in performance by brand. It's not like looking at short, soft carvers for adult beginners. Rather, as skis go from 130 to 140, they get slightly stiffer because their users are slightly bigger. 

 

There are some small differences by mission. If you really want to find the highest performance skis in the 140 range, you might look at race skis. They'll be a little better at edge grip and flex consistency. In that group, there appear to be slightly softer flexing skis, at least in the racing series, that would be Rossi, Dynastar, Volkl. Again, in the racing series, Blizzard, Nordica, Elan seem to fall in the middle. Heads have a rep for being slightly stiffer. But in the opinion of U10 coaches, the differences are small, not nearly as obvious as differences in skiing ability. And the main function of flex differences at this length are to match with body weight. So heavier kids might gravitate to Heads, for instance. All these skis have the same construction and pretty much the same dimensions. The flex differences are simply in the amount of glass used. They do not use metal or carbon or anything except wood and glass. 

 

I cannot say if the various rec series at roughly 140 have the same small differences. I'd doubt it. The market segment for rec kids' skis is small, and the users do not seem to demand marked differences in performance. You might talk to a freestyle U10 coach to see if he/she can recommend anything special. 

 

Finally, none of the brands I've mentioned have ever been nominated for having more or less quality control or build quality. The differences, such as they are, are in flex. Period. 

 

Really. 

post #15 of 16

I agree with posters above - there's not much difference in 'feel' - skis that short are pretty soft (kids are light), they can't quite bend skis like heavier adults can. Our kids are both black skiers here in the Canadian Rockies (so softer snow), and we look more for 'characteristics' for the skis rather than 'performance.' They ski everything- steeps, soft, pow, chop, slush, park, hard groomed, bumps - so we've preferred the junior skis that are a little wider underfoot (80 or so), and we've preferred twin tips (for park, or for riding switch), and all have had a rocker-camber-rocker profile. They've been thrilled with them and they've progressed a lot . Next year will be the first year we're looking at adult skis for them. Having said that - they both loved the K2 Juvys (they both had a pair), it was the favourite ski for DS and DD. 

post #16 of 16

Thanks for the additional info, Beyond.

 

That K2 Juvy looks great as a one-ski quiver!  Albertan - thank you!  Twin tip (for park), camber (edgehold) with a little tip rocker (all-mountain, turn initiation).  Medium flex (for a kid's ski).  Not too narrow or too wide - looks like a winner.  109 - 149cm.  Rated for intermediates to advanced skiers -- exactly the kind of ski I had in mind.  And exactly different from the FS-designed overly-sidecutted Dynastar team cham.

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