Originally Posted by razie
Originally Posted by The Engineer
Originally Posted by skiatansky
Why would Ligety, a multi-million dollar athlete, tell his competitors how he's beating them?
Sorry dude, that graph was the nail in the coffin. It's over. At 2/3 heavy with distribution, there will be plenty of heavy transitions. For every loss of contact there has to be two completely heavy transitions. It was over before that graph, but now it's completely finished.
Originally Posted by The Engineer
Oh, duh, that graph shows 1/3 weight on the outside ski and 1/3 weight on the inside ski for a total of 2/3 weight. So, it does show heavy rather than light.
you really should think it through before posting - the problem with numbers is that they don't deceive, like words can.
looking from left to right:
- at t=0% there is 0.2 on inside + 0.3 on outside = 0.5 total N/Kg
- at t=60% there is 0.8 on inside + 1.9 on outside = 2.7 total N/Kg
The skier is 5.4 times LIGHTER in transition... and I'm not even taking t-80% which would make him even lighter. Also, the turn is quite a round large arc, since it's weighted 60% of the time, not a punchy SL turn even.... still.
Even if you think this round large turn shows 50% weight in transition, it is clearly a DOWN-UNWEIGHTED RELEASE... and you can even see the quick flexing at t=80%. Not a "retraction" by any means (the weight doesn't seem to go negative) although we'd need more information to make that statement.
I don't really know how to explain this better: LIGHTER on AVERAGE will never mean HEAVY on AVERAGE. You can throw as many words in a whatever blender you have and it still won't.
wow. i'll need some counseling before this is over...
Yeah... so this skier is on average 5-6 times lighter in transition than at the apex. Yet some here still, after 50+ failed arguments, all easily proven false, want to claim that is heavy.
If you wanted to show someone a graph demonstrating that skiers down-unweight, this is the graph you would show: unweighting at t=80% being obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes and the missing push denotes the "down" direction.
If you wanted to show someone a graph demonstrating a transition where the racer floats, this is the perfect graph, showing at the most 50-60% of body weight in transition, which is the exact feeling of floating...
@The Engineer defined "heavy" as applying full body weight but now changed his mind and is trying to bend reality where someone things he's heavy even after someone lost 40% of weight. People call that "loosing weight" i.e. "unweighting" and the result "light".
All the "evidence" they presented over 100 posts has been easily proven to be false assertions and false statements.
All one has to do to match the words spoken by Ted or Phil to the actual images they show is watch while they talk.
The Engineer and CTCook are pushing their own ski system, centered around the fact that skiers put all body weight in transition, without any foundation in ANY instruction material and we have tons of that, across many books and ski instruction organizations and none speak of this in tech skiing.
If anyone still buys what these two are pushing, then you deserve to ski like this:
...as this was the only example of a skier actually applying all body weight in transition presented so far, thus representative of the TE/Cook ski teaching system.
On the bright side, along these 800+ posts, we have collected a lot of statements from the two proponents of this new teaching system, devoid of logic and denoting a very confused understanding of skiing in general, let alone high performance skiing.
Me? I'll continue to strive to ski like these guys:
oops - one of those is me (the neophyte with the ticket)... well, I guess this is my "system"... the one pushed by the 3 best instructors on the planet among other racing organizations.
It's called "high-performance skiing".
Seriously - buy their video, you'll learn something: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/projectkitz
Truly, a nod to the mods: thank you for making this forum possible. Freedom of speech doesn't come easy, as evidenced by posters and stuff we have to put up with every now and then.
Edited by razie - 12/30/15 at 6:47am