Originally Posted by NovaLoafah
Why does not scraping make waxing useless? I scrape but your statement has me curious. If I wax properly isn't the base getting the benefit of the warm wax? Wouldn't not scraping just take away the excess down to the base material but the benefit of wax in the base and on the surface still exist? Not lookin to start a thread on it but am guessing you have reason for your post and am curious.
Only answering your question. This is based on my experiences, on the hill, and knowledge gained from my career working on the distribution and sourcing side of the business, and when I was a full time coach at one of the top academy programs in the U.S. Not trying to argue with anyone, this only my point of view based on the information and experiences presented to me.
Knowing that not everyone needs the absolute top performance and isn't putting High FluroCarbon let alone the powdered Cera F and solid rub on overlay waxes out there for racers.
Why should the average skier wax skis?
Ski Performance is the only reason you "need to wax". Ski Performance is not necessarily the top end, but it is to improve the overall speed, and ease of glide for your skis. Not waxing your skis made with technology from the past 40 years (when we switched to Sintered Polyethylene base material) will not lead to deterioration of the ski so it won't perform the way you would expect it to in general. Wax has been used as a protectant and lubricant for many years before skiing even existed. When people first started skiing, wax was used for primarily a way to protect the skis. Today it isn't necessary for protection of a ski. The protection that is afforded by wax is only in it's ability to retain the highest performance levels that can be lost from not waxing. If you think you are doing it to protect your skis from damage. That really should be done to prevent base burn from inhibiting the pores in the base from working to absorb and release wax in the future, and for summer storage to protect not only the base but the metal edges as well for the prolonged time. If you can't see a difference after a few runs of with skis that were never scraped nor brushed, then losing that little bit of the highest end of performance on your skis won't cost you anything.
Based on knowing that skis that are scraped and not brushed are not performing as well as an unwaxed ski. Any topographical irregularity on the surface of your ski will only add friction. Knowing this why would you bother in the first place? I've seen skis that have 2 days of skiing on them that were just poorly brushed, where I can take the roto brush and get wax off the base still (I have had this happen multiple times from looking at many of the kids I coached over the years skis). The wax on top prevented the wax from releasing from the base, and it added more friction. The goal is not to be skiing on wax, as it was when we had solid wood boards and needed to keep the wood sealed and protected. The purpose today is to ski on your base, and have your base release wax to break up the suction, and electrostatic friction that is created. I don't think making 4-10 runs will remove the top layers of wax from the base (especially hard waxes) to create a surface as smooth as an unwaxed ski. Additionally the video that was shown to all of the coaches at the USSA Coaches meeting held in October of 2013, in the Twin Cities, (for Central Division coaches) further backs this. (I am going to ask Eric for a link to the video, or for him to post the video next week. I will post a link to the video, when / if he get this done.)
I couldn't justify my time, effort, and money to wax a ski only to make it harder to skate, or push my way to a lift. (This is honestly where most people feel the difference between a properly waxed, scraped, and brushed ski and any other option.) I really couldn't stand it in a race course, even in beer league racing.
If you want your skis to glide easier to the lifts while at the base, or the very slight pitch on a lot of cross mountain trails, to ski faster on any pitch, or to get up to speed quicker, then waxing properly is the solution. Waxing properly is properly scraping and brushing the ski base as well.
If ski performance isn't your goal; Why wax it all with todays ski technology? Especially when you know that your efforts are actually taking away from the glide and overall speed performance of your ski. Then what do you gain?