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post #31 of 41

Ya know, if y'all would just use a SnowGlide you could stop all this d*mn petty bickering. :D

 

And fwiw, I know Scott and I like him as well as anyone but his Beast stuff is marginal at best.  Maybe for the recreational tuner it's ok stuff, it's just not for me.

post #32 of 41
 
 
 

 

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I'm sorry you see so many concave skis.  I rarely see any.  The ones I see are usually Atomic's.  If your skis are so badly concave maybe you need to have them "Stone Ground"! 

 

Anyway, I know you hate and dis BEAST tools.  I love them and I don't have any issues with the Side Of The Beast Pro.  I don't have problems with it rolling off the edge as that would be a user error and I put 1/4 inch thick stones in mine.  Maybe your bolt was too short.

No worries.  To each his own.  Be good up there!  :beercheer:

Yeah, Jaques, I don't know how to use a side edge beveler...Really dude  User error :rolleyes   The base plate is too narrow! 

 

And your full of it. Lotsa of wider skis are concave in the center in the tip and tail and you should NEVER try to grind all of that out. As long as the skis are flat from the edge to about 10mm in,  they will ski fine. 

 

Look my sons raced with Eric Holmer and his sister  although they are younger than Eric.  I have stopped by and spoken to Scott in person on numerous occasions and bought tons of gear from Race Place over the years!. I used the Beast stuff for sometime, but I have sound SVST far superior........so sue me!  I don't like the fact you have to screw the plate tight on the side edge beveler either. Spring clamps work better. 

 

Also prefer the replaceable Delrin feet on the SVST Final cut base beveler and the machined metal construction.  Pardon the Phu out of me!


Hey......easy.  Don't take things personal.  At least we can now agree the base of a ski does not need to be perfectly flat!   You do fine with your tool choice, and I do fine with mine.
BEAST base beveler tools never need any inserts replaced.  They last forever unless it breaks.  I did have one break.  The replaced it for free.  It broke where the plate screwed into the polycarbonate. 

Base BEAST is a fine guide.  Let's face it.  Bevel guides are very simple devices. 

Here is what they say and I am with them on that. 
From their site and catalog. 
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#1 Ski Base Edge Beveler in the World!

Our proven stainless steel and polycarbonate design is tremendously successful with ski tuning techs around the world. This uniquely designed ski base edger features angled side arms, a "tongue" file grip, and ergonomic finger rests, all allowing for efficient cutting and an easy, comfortable grip. The stainless steel floating elevation bar tilts the file or stone at a precise angle for easy set-up and maintenance of base edge bevels.

Why Base BEAST is #1

The polycarbonate used in the Base BEAST main frame is one of the toughest and most stable materials available and is used in many high tech applications, including eyeglass lenses, Blu-ray discs, and bulletproof shields.

The accuracy of the Base BEAST is assured by a patented design, which maintains the base angle with a precise stainless steel elevation bar set at the optimum distance from the ski edge.

This durability of material combined with an accurate, easy to use design makes Base BEAST the #1 selling base edge beveler in the World!

post #33 of 41
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I really don't know why you guys have to fight about each other's tuning tools all the time. It's been said. Move on. Different strokes.


Yes, I totally agree, but since I have been in here it's the same things each season.  It's all good.

post #34 of 41
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Hey......easy.  Don't take things personal.  At least we can now agree the base of a ski does not need to be perfectly flat!   You do fine with your tool choice, and I do fine with mine.
BEAST base beveler tools never need any inserts replaced.  They last forever unless it breaks.  I did have one break.  The replaced it for free.  It broke where the plate screwed into the polycarbonate. 

Base BEAST is a fine guide.  Let's face it.  Bevel guides are very simple devices. 

Here is what they say and I am with them on that. 
From their site and catalog. 
"

#1 Ski Base Edge Beveler in the World!

Our proven stainless steel and polycarbonate design is tremendously successful with ski tuning techs around the world. This uniquely designed ski base edger features angled side arms, a "tongue" file grip, and ergonomic finger rests, all allowing for efficient cutting and an easy, comfortable grip. The stainless steel floating elevation bar tilts the file or stone at a precise angle for easy set-up and maintenance of base edge bevels.

Why Base BEAST is #1

The polycarbonate used in the Base BEAST main frame is one of the toughest and most stable materials available and is used in many high tech applications, including eyeglass lenses, Blu-ray discs, and bulletproof shields.

The accuracy of the Base BEAST is assured by a patented design, which maintains the base angle with a precise stainless steel elevation bar set at the optimum distance from the ski edge.

This durability of material combined with an accurate, easy to use design makes Base BEAST the #1 selling base edge beveler in the World!

I am the #1 skier and the #1 tuner in the world too!   Cause I said so! :rolleyes

post #35 of 41
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Ya know, if y'all would just use a SnowGlide you could stop all this d*mn petty bickering. :D

 

And fwiw, I know Scott and I like him as well as anyone but his Beast stuff is marginal at best.  Maybe for the recreational tuner it's ok stuff, it's just not for me.


OMG!  You funny!  Marginal at best?  Snow Glide..make it easy.....Snow Glide.....make it steezy..........slow down, slow down.....

 

I love these threads!   I feel sorry for the OPs like Levy 1.    :popcorn     :duel:

post #36 of 41
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Hey......easy.  Don't take things personal.  At least we can now agree the base of a ski does not need to be perfectly flat!   You do fine with your tool choice, and I do fine with mine.
BEAST base beveler tools never need any inserts replaced.  They last forever unless it breaks.  I did have one break.  The replaced it for free.  It broke where the plate screwed into the polycarbonate. 

Base BEAST is a fine guide.  Let's face it.  Bevel guides are very simple devices. 

Here is what they say and I am with them on that. 
From their site and catalog. 
"

#1 Ski Base Edge Beveler in the World!

Our proven stainless steel and polycarbonate design is tremendously successful with ski tuning techs around the world. This uniquely designed ski base edger features angled side arms, a "tongue" file grip, and ergonomic finger rests, all allowing for efficient cutting and an easy, comfortable grip. The stainless steel floating elevation bar tilts the file or stone at a precise angle for easy set-up and maintenance of base edge bevels.

Why Base BEAST is #1

The polycarbonate used in the Base BEAST main frame is one of the toughest and most stable materials available and is used in many high tech applications, including eyeglass lenses, Blu-ray discs, and bulletproof shields.

The accuracy of the Base BEAST is assured by a patented design, which maintains the base angle with a precise stainless steel elevation bar set at the optimum distance from the ski edge.

This durability of material combined with an accurate, easy to use design makes Base BEAST the #1 selling base edge beveler in the World!

I am the #1 skier and the #1 tuner in the world too!   Cause I said so! :rolleyes


I won't argue with you there!  You have awesome knowledge without question.  Just some use tools other that the ones you like.

post #37 of 41
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Ya know, if y'all would just use a SnowGlide you could stop all this d*mn petty bickering. biggrin.gif

And fwiw, I know Scott and I like him as well as anyone but his Beast stuff is marginal at best.  Maybe for the recreational tuner it's ok stuff, it's just not for me.


OMG!  You funny!  Marginal at best?  Snow Glide..make it easy.....Snow Glide.....make it steezy..........slow down, slow down.....

I love these threads!   I feel sorry for the OPs like Levy 1.    popcorn.gif      duel.gif
I don't get your remark you feel sorry for posters like me. I really enjoy this forum and I have learned so much over the years it's incredible and I'm still learning.
post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by MoJo23 View Post

 
Ya know, if y'all would just use a SnowGlide you could stop all this d*mn petty bickering. biggrin.gif

And fwiw, I know Scott and I like him as well as anyone but his Beast stuff is marginal at best.  Maybe for the recreational tuner it's ok stuff, it's just not for me.


OMG!  You funny!  Marginal at best?  Snow Glide..make it easy.....Snow Glide.....make it steezy..........slow down, slow down.....

I love these threads!   I feel sorry for the OPs like Levy 1.    popcorn.gif      duel.gif
I don't get your remark you feel sorry for posters like me. I really enjoy this forum and I have learned so much over the years it's incredible and I'm still learning.


I'm glad you like it Levy 1!   What I mean is you ask a question, then we post a ton of banter!   It's normal thing here.  Main thing is you get help and lots of differing opinion. 
It was a good question because it got us going for sure!  Take care now!

post #39 of 41
Thread Starter 
No doubt there's always a lot of banter going and different opinions but when the dust settles at the end of the day I might just have to clue to know what I need to do and I appreciate everyone's advise yours included
post #40 of 41
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No doubt there's always a lot of banter going and different opinions but when the dust settles at the end of the day I might just have to clue to know what I need to do and I appreciate everyone's advise yours included


Okay, I'm glad you got that right!  Best to you.  One of my best friends as a kid was a Levy!  Be good!

post #41 of 41

It doesn't make sense to have 0.5 tip/tail and 1 underfoot. The tip/tail is about initiation and release, the less the grabbier and unforgiving the skis is (hooks up instantly, hard to make turn adjustments), so a 1 there makes more sense. Underfoot is about edge hold in the turn and 0.5 is quite grabby there... so I think it's backwards: 1 tip/tail and 0.5 underfoot.

 

If you really want to know what they did, get a marker, and mark the entire base edge. Then get a 1 degree base guide with a 400 diamond stone and glide it with little pressure and see how the marker is wearing off. It will tell you what exact bevel you have and where. It should be about 6 inches from the tip/ 4 from tail but it could easily be more/less. I don't know how they can set the machines.

 

It's not a bad idea at all to do this progressive base bevel. It's customary with higher level racers. I just keep it simple and use the same bevel because I'm lazy. The customary compensation technique if you dont' have a variable base bevel, is to de-tune the tip/tail with a soft gummy stone, after sharpening, to get a similar effect (of more forgiving tip/tail and more grabby underfoot).

 

It doesn't matter much from the point of view of tuning the skis yourself. You will sharpen the edge and never touch the base. Once they set the base for you do NOT take a file to it. The only thing you should do is to deburr, after filing the side edge, run a diamond stone 400 and up lightly along the base edge by hand, no guide really required. This will remove the "hanging burr" left by the edge filing.
 


Edited by razie - 11/27/15 at 4:14pm
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