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post #91 of 108
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post


Mashing the tounge is not in vouge, but modern race technique involves putting the skis on edge very early in the turn , and letting the skis bend the boots. If you are skiing in boots too soft for the skis you are on, you most certainly will not be able to get the full performance out of that ski.

Here's HH skiing those big big 150 flex plugs a few months out of knee surgery, how does such a little guy like him do it??https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DLRCZLbmU

 

Ah,  that explains it!  :)   Now i realize you are a closet adherent to that system that shall not be named but sounds like a monthly problem....      And yes, i actually watched the video, never having paid attention to HH before.  Explains a lot!.  Nice skiing, i am old enough to remember when having your legs locked together like that was a sign of a good skier! :rolleyes .  Too bad equipment and technique have moved on!.  But of course if it is good enough for he who is not supposed to be named, then all his disciples must duplicate his equipment exactly​, regardless of individual physique or ability

 

It does explain a lot though.  If you want to ski with your legs locked together then use a super stiff boot and a noodle ski so it looks like you are bending it.  

 

OTOH, if you want to adopt more modern dynamic technique that takes advantage of equipment advances, get your feet apart, drive leg extension and use the fore/aft movement afforded by a boot that is laterally stiff but allows the necessary fore/aft flexion that enables you to get a wide platform that drives the ski.  If you ever get out of your Helly Hansen adherence, take a look at Ligety sometime.  If not, I can send you some fluorescent gear that will properly match the period skiing..:beercheer: 

post #92 of 108
I'm not really a HH fan actually. He has some good points about ski technique, but hes wrong about a lot of things too. If you look at the world cup skiers they are skiing with a much narrower stance than what most PSIA instructors are skiing.

Mikala Shifferin is 5'7 and around 140lbs and skis the redster 170. Want to explain how a tiny(by men's standards at least) SL specialist is winning world cup races by 3 seconds with too stiff boots? You can watch her training videos and she is clearly not flexing her boots fore/aft, even at low speeds.
post #93 of 108

What stiffness boots are Ted and Marcel using?

post #94 of 108

:popcorn

post #95 of 108
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

I'm not really a HH fan actually. He has some good points about ski technique, but hes wrong about a lot of things too. If you look at the world cup skiers they are skiing with a much narrower stance than what most PSIA instructors are skiing.

Mikala Shifferin is 5'7 and around 140lbs and skis the redster 170. Want to explain how a tiny(by men's standards at least) SL specialist is winning world cup races by 3 seconds with too stiff boots?


I dont have the inside scoop on Mikela's boots.  Happy to be proven wrong but I would be very surprised though if she is in a 170 flex.  Remember of course that just because it is a 170 shell, doesn't mean it hasn't been cut down.  

 

Having a similar discussion with our head coach this morning to get him to soften off the redster for me.  At 6'3", 225#, L400, L3 he is also planning to cut his 150 redster a bit....

post #96 of 108
Truly interested in what flex Mikaela is in..... I seem to remember surprisingly soft,

Anyone ?
post #97 of 108
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Ski racing Magazine has  compiled some information on what top Masters racers are now  skiing on. The article is written by noted skier and author Lisa Densmore:

 

https://www.skiracing.com/premium/whats-the-right-ski-for-masters-racing

 

 

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and also note this

 

"Tight, 18-meter sidecut GS skis may be the rage, but perhaps not the fastest choice for everyone. The higher the edge angle you create while turning, the bigger the sidecut you can handle. If you get a lot of angulation, you can actually have too much sidecut, which makes the skis feel hooky. While most masters racer prefer a GS radius under 25 m, an 18 m ski may be too tight for you, depending on your line and the amount of edge angle you can create.'

 

I think Lisa has been reading my comments!!


Quite funny.  one of my Masters team mates at Rose is one of the athletes featured in the article.  She was waxing eloquent today on her new 176/17m GS skis and I pointed out lisa's comments on angles.  She burst out laughing and says 'yep, that's me!' .  

post #98 of 108

oh and @mike_m, apologies if we have slightly diverted this thread from your original request, but there is actually lots of good information being added if you can filter your way through it!

post #99 of 108
Hey OP!

Not sure if you'll get this, but back to the post lol.
I am skiing similar to you these days - way backed off from racing, just kiddie coaching, skiing some fun gates and lots of short to medium turns. I'm bigger than you, b really enjoying the non-fIS iSL from Head.
The real difference is not driving the FIS ski, but accessibility and forgiveness. I find it is playful, fun and has plenty of speed in it.
The real difference on the FIS for me is mental - the Head RD (and most FIS skis) require 100% mental focus to drive them to get the most performance. Let your thoughts drift after a six hour ski day and they love to kick you straight back.
I chose the iSL for the end of day forgiveness. Great ski, lots of snap.
Also, I lack much of the technical knowledge of much of th forum - I think I am more . A "feel" skier. But there are actually big differences in the balance points of some of the skis you mentioned. I like the balance of the Atomic and Head (enjoy the flex of both), the dynastar and Rossi ski too . Back to me. I us know how it goes...

BTW - incredibly jealous of Copper right now. Not a flake of snow in near future here in the Ontario/East...

And for the rest of the folks, I last year softened my 130 flex boots a few points (it was -40C), but am now so used to it, can't go back. But I don't ski 70 km/h either! Cheers!!
post #100 of 108
@Csr_jr

There was snow in Halton Hills/Erin about 2 weeks ago.
post #101 of 108
Sorry - didn't realize any Hills here were open...
post #102 of 108

No hills open just snow to tease us.

 

BTW Halton Hills = Georgetown/Acton and its gone now.  You know..."It's worth the drive to Acton"

post #103 of 108
Thread Starter 

Hi, CSR_Jr!

 

I'll be up in your neck of the woods soon.  Doing a one-week clinic with JF Beaulieu at Mt. St. Anne in late January.  Probably bring my Dynastar Course Tis for the hard snow!

 

As a sidenote, got to demo the Head Worldcup Rebels  iSLs in a 165  today.  Just a short run, but they seemed like a terrific ski:  solid and moderately damp, but not overly stiff and burly.  That women's version for my skinny frame might be really nice!

 

Thanks for the fun feedback, all.  This thread has grown beyond my wildest expectations! 

 

By the way, ScotsSkier, how come you aren't out here at Copper with the rest of the world's racers?!  It would be fun to take a run with you!

 

Best!

Mike

post #104 of 108
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Hi, CSR_Jr!

 

I'll be up in your neck of the woods soon.  Doing a one-week clinic with JF Beaulieu at Mt. St. Anne in late January.  Probably bring my Dynastar Course Tis for the hard snow!

 

As a sidenote, got to demo the Head Worldcup Rebels  iSLs in a 165  today.  Just a short run, but they seemed like a terrific ski:  solid and moderately damp, but not overly stiff and burly.  That women's version for my skinny frame might be really nice!

 

Thanks for the fun feedback, all.  This thread has grown beyond my wildest expectations! 

 

By the way, ScotsSkier, how come you aren't out here at Copper with the rest of the world's racers?!  It would be fun to take a run with you!

 

Best!

Mike


ROFL!  Something about me being 40 years too old and 20 seconds too slow Mike!   Plus just 6 weeks out from shoulder surgery so didnt go to Copper for training!   And anyway, since i am a wimp on a softened boot, how could I show my face....:D

post #105 of 108
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Originally Posted by mike_m View Post
 

Hi, CSR_Jr!

 

I'll be up in your neck of the woods soon.  Doing a one-week clinic with JF Beaulieu at Mt. St. Anne in late January.  Probably bring my Dynastar Course Tis for the hard snow!

 

 

Best!

Mike

 

 

That's a long neck! - MSA is about 8-9 hours from Toronto or closer to 12 from most of Southern Ontario's ski hills. At teh end of January you could get almost anything there from boilerplate to soft-groomed, maybe even some fresh snow.

post #106 of 108
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Hi, CSR_Jr!

I'll be up in your neck of the woods soon.  Doing a one-week clinic with JF Beaulieu at Mt. St. Anne in late January.  Probably bring my Dynastar Course Tis for the hard snow!

As a sidenote, got to demo the Head Worldcup Rebels  iSLs in a 165  today.  Just a short run, but they seemed like a terrific ski:  solid and moderately damp, but not overly stiff and burly.  That women's version for my skinny frame might be really nice!

Thanks for the fun feedback, all.  This thread has grown beyond my wildest expectations! 

By the way, ScotsSkier, how come you aren't out here at Copper with the rest of the world's racers?!  It would be fun to take a run with you!

Best!
Mike


ROFL!  Something about me being 40 years too old and 20 seconds too slow Mike!   Plus just 6 weeks out from shoulder surgery so didnt go to Copper for training!   And anyway, since i am a wimp on a softened boot, how could I show my face....biggrin.gif
Lol
post #107 of 108
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Originally Posted by mike_m View Post
 

Hi, all!

 

Now it's my turn to ask for advice!  My wife and I are looking for some slalom skis we can use freeskiing on the hill and occasionally in gates.

 

I'm 5'10", 155 lbs.; on harder snow, love my older Dynastar Speed Course Tis
My wife is is 5', 100 lbs.; on harder snow, loves her Head Super Joys

 

I'd describe both of us as smooth, finesse skiers who prefer a nimble ski over a stiff, burly one (demoed the Atomic Redster Doubledeck 3.0 SL and found it too stiff, for instance). We prefer to work with the mountain, not try to overpower it. Both of us ski at a good clip and want a quick ski that's stable at speed, but is also comfortable at slower speeds and can make a few longer turns without protesting. Got any suggestions for us?

 

My research suggested a few. What are your thoughts on them, and others I may be missing?

 

Head iSupershape Speed in shorter lengths

Head 2015 Head WC Rebels SL Team Junior Ski for my wife (150? 156?)
Head Worldcup Rebels iSL (too stiff?)
Stockli Laser SL
Volkl Racetiger SL UVO

 

Thanks in advance!
Mike

That's a tough one. She doesn't weigh much!  I like the idea of a junior ski.  Also, maybe the Amphibio 12 from Elan? Only 1 sheet of metal, basically an SL frontside ski.  Many of the skis I like (the Blizzard S8 Power, Stockli SL, SC, Fischer WC SC) may be too stiff.

post #108 of 108

My son is the same height and 10lbs lighter than your wife and he is 11 years old.  He is on 139 junior slalom skis.  Unless she is strong and accomplished she would likely do better with a junior ski. imho

 

You might look at something in the 140's.  OR...there are some good deals on non-fis 150cm skis that don't seem to get much love.  They might be softer than junior skis but would be close to head height.  Even discounted they might cost more than a junior ski though.

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