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Slalom ski advice vol.2

post #1 of 10
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Hello there again.

 

3 years ago I asked the same question ''What slalom ski to buy?'' in this thread:

http://www.epicski.com/t/114590/slalom-ski-advice-needed#post_1501029

 

After considering all options I decided to buy FIS atomic SL (model 2011/2012 or 2012/2013) and it was by far the best ski I had until then.

 

One year after that I bought FIS Atomic D2 GS 191cm R27M - from a certain speed the slalom ski struggled to work but this GS beast just came alive and it was incerdible (I have never ever before experienced so much edge hold at higher speeds) tho I cannot use those everyday, the conditions have to be almost perfect.

 

Now the 3 year old slalom ski doesnt work as it used to so I am looking for replacement.

Any tips for a slalom ski that will hold on ice, punish me for even the smallest mistakes and tons of rebound?

I am heavy skier 125kg (275lbs+)

Enough leg strength to bend anything - I can comfortably squat with 100kg (220lbs) on my back.

 

I was looking at new Atomic Redster FIS SL because atomics worked for me nicely

But Fischers also looks good - RC4 WORLD CUP SL MEN STIFF 

And I was also thinking about last seasons Volkl FIS SL

 

Are there any skis that are way ahead of the competition? Or are they almost the same with minor diferences not even worth mentioning?

 

 

Thanks for any reply :)

post #2 of 10

Which ski is getting the most podiums in WC slalom?  I think the answer is Head followed by Nordica, but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

Which ski is getting the most podiums in WC slalom?  I think the answer is Head followed by Nordica, but I could be wrong.

 

That's definitely not the answer in SL. Looking at last year's podiums, we have:

 

Men (11 races including the world championships):

1. Nordica (11)

2. Atomic (8)

3. Fischer (6)

4. Volkl (5)

5. Rossi (3)

 

Women (10 races including world champs):

1. Atomic (10)

2. Rossi (7)

3. Fischer (5)

4. Salomon (3)

4. Stoeckli (3)

6. Volkl (1)

6. Head (1)

 

Summing:

1. Atomic (18)

2. Fischer (11)

2. Nordica (11)

4. Rossi (10)

5. Volkl (6)

6. Salomon (3)

6. Stoeckli (3)

8. Head (1)

 

Of course, all of that is irrelevant, as the product on these athletes' feet is not the same as you can get. Also, podiums skews the results because Hirscher/Shiffrin/Neureuther etc. have a LOT of podiums. Just because Hirscher and Shiffrin happen to ski on Atomic does not make it the best ski (for you).

 

Every brand makes a good product. They ski very similarly.


Edited by bruins14sammy - 11/19/15 at 8:42pm
post #4 of 10

To be honest, among the current crop of FIS slaloms there are no real "poor" ones and I have been on most of them.  Small differences between them when you ski them back to back but unlikely most would notice them,.  Funnily enough the Fischer is my least favorite, just a bit too dead feeling for me.  If I had to rank them I would put the top group - Blizzard/Nordica, Atomic and Head (but my view on Head may be slightly skewed because the ones I have are selected stock).  Very close behind is Rossi/Dynastar and Volkl.  The Volkl in the last couple of years has improved a lot in my experience.  And in the last 2 seasons I have raced on Blizzard, Nordica, Head, Rossi and Dynastar.....

 

So, you really cant go too far wrong with any of these, go with the best deal (or the color you like!! :D)

post #5 of 10

The red ones are the fastest...  Which is why I ski on Atomics.  :D

post #6 of 10

I'm pretty sure the winners would still be the winners if they switched brands.  It's a matter of personal preference and feel of the ski.  Oh, and I also have a slight bias towards Fischer due to some good will built up by them back in the '70s (They make a great ski too).  I am not a FIS WC racer and have never skied a real WC ski, so it's OK to ignore my post.  As to skis available to purchase, Atomics have this binding that increase ramp angle for you as you turn.  I prefer to do my own skiing, but I suppose you could adapt, like adapting to an automatic transmission in a car instead of a standard transmission.  

 

Some race skis have slight early rise/tip rocker and some don't.   Your choice, ski what you like or ski what helps you win (unless you are competing, then ski what helps you win).

post #7 of 10
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I'm pretty sure the winners would still be the winners if they switched brands.  It's a matter of personal preference and feel of the ski.  Oh, and I also have a slight bias towards Fischer due to some good will built up by them back in the '70s (They make a great ski too).  I am not a FIS WC racer and have never skied a real WC ski, so it's OK to ignore my post.  As to skis available to purchase, Atomics have this binding that increase ramp angle for you as you turn.  I prefer to do my own skiing, but I suppose you could adapt, like adapting to an automatic transmission in a car instead of a standard transmission.  

Some race skis have slight early rise/tip rocker and some don't.   Your choice, ski what you like or ski what helps you win (unless you are competing, then ski what helps you win).

Ghost, iirc, the ramp angle change is only on the GS,not the slalom
post #8 of 10

Thanks Scotskier,  I stand corrected. 

(Edit: I was mislead by the Atomic catalogue - where they talk about the cheater SL ski (not FIS radius one).


Edited by Ghost - 11/20/15 at 7:21am
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Thanks Scotskier,  I stand corrected. 

(Edit: I was mislead by the Atomic catalogue - where they talk about the cheater SL ski (not FIS radius one).


no worries Gost!   Actually the latest plate on the head slaloms (not sure if it has filtered down to the regular race stock yet) has the heel semi floating not unlike the Atomic.   The front plate si the same as the regular plate but the hell plate is different.  i haven't tried it yet as i need to move it further forward for my little feet!  

post #10 of 10

I'm also in the market for an "FIS" SL ski and not a cheater, but want to make sure I'm comparing apples to apples as much as possible.

 

Can one of the slalom ski aficionados on this thread help me out with the Blizzard SL skis for 2016? They list two different skis under the "FIS Race" category....the "SL WC Race" and the "SL Racing." They both appear to be of the "FIS" variety and not the cheater, yet the "WC" has a 1m shorter radius in the 165 and I'm guessing is closer to the full on world cup class of ski that the pros are on but not sure.

 

I've also heard that the Stockli line tends to be dialed up a notch versus the other brands such that the non-FIS Laser SL should be compared to the Rossi Hero FIS SL for example and their FIS Laser SL is closer to the other brands full on WC class ski. Can anyone verify/debunk that myth for me?

 

Thanks!

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