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Solomon X Max 130 VS Lange RS 130

post #1 of 23
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I now have a X Max 120 and 130 with BD foam and Intuition Dream Low Volume liners. I was in the shop getting skis turned and I tried on a Lange RS 130 and thought someone glued a boot on my foot? Best fit I ever had and in the stock liner. Very roomy toe box, better then both my after market liners at least in the toe box area. My Solomons and the RS are 27.5.

 

I like my Solomons and ski great with them but after feeling the fit of the Langes I thought is was far better in the way it grabbed my entire foot. I also see my Solomons deflect outward around the ball of the foot and you can see it flexing. I never liked it and it would seem I am loosing some energy here but that is just a guess. If would be a little stiff for me but I see with all the modifications available I could make it work

 

I have a narrow heel, skinny feet, wide forefoot because of severe bunions, need a plastic bottom boot for my 5 degree inside cant.

 

Any comments would be appreciated.

 

I did not try the RX 130 LV.

 

Is the stance of one boot or the other a change in how upright or a difference in forward lean?

post #2 of 23

Pretty much every boot manufacturer has adopted a stance suitable to drive rockered skis (natural stance, balanced rocker stance…..whatever). This pretty much means a 4 degree ramp angle and a 12 degree forward lean angle. Ummmmm, the RX is a way better skiing boot. I have both the XMax 120 and the RX130. The XMax hasn't seen the light of day in a long time. 

 

Your forefoot should be sized without your bunions in mind. That's what a boot press is for. 


Edited by ShopGimp - 11/18/15 at 7:48am
post #3 of 23
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Thanks for your help . if I'm understanding you I asked about the RS and you're telling me about the RX are you saying that the Rx is a better boots ithen the RS? And I would assume from your post that you like the RS and RX better than the Salomon boots.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

Thanks for your help . if I'm understanding you I asked about the RS and you're telling me about the RX are you saying that the Rx is a better boots ithen the RS? And I would assume from your post that you like the RS and RX better than the Salomon boots.

Ooops….AM reading skills are apparently weak. The RS is the blue boot, right? I'm under the impression that the RS and RX fit the same and the difference between the two is that the RS is is a full polyether shell, and the RX has a polyether lower and polyurathane cuff. I've never skied in the RS, but I'm sure I would like it.  

 

I love Salomon skis but I think their boots ski like a bag of @##$$%%%. 

post #5 of 23
Most all of the current Langes are built off of the same R2006 chassis. The RS boots are meant to look like the race boot and are built on a 97mm last and have solid soles. The RS Wide boots have the same liner, with a wider (100mm) last and replaceable toe and heel.

Solid soled boots are more rigid torsionally and are better platforms for sole modification.

The RX boots are in the all mountain category, so they get a softer zeppa, a slightly cushier liner and a high traction replaceable toe and heel. The RX 130 is the 100mm last and the RX130 LV is the 97mm.

While it is pointless to speculate on your stance over the interweb, 5 degrees of actual boot planing, in addition to being an off the charts amount, would require a solid soled boot.

My experience has been that if the amount is that large, perhaps something else was missed along the way. It is very rare that we cant a boot 3 degrees. Maybe twice a year?

Perhaps you meant .5 degrees. 5 degrees would make quite a mess of a XMax 120 sole.

jl
post #6 of 23

I own the 26.5 RS130 LV with MV Dreamliners, agree with your characterization. Not The Perfect Boot, but best out of the box fit for narrow heels and wide forefeet I've found. I'm a B heel and D to E forefoot, FWIW, prefer the LV model, which really fits my ankle and heel, needed some expansion across the metatarsals. It's a generous LV compared to several other brands, and the length runs roughly 7 mm above several other brands. (Where I'm a 27.5.) 

 

Tried the RX, very nice boot, seems like the same last but touch less Right Now for my purposes, which necessarily involve a lot of firm snow and ice. The plastic feels a little different; I'm really into good plastic like you get in plugs. But in fact have begun to race in my RS's; while they're not quite as firm as my Sollie Lab plugs, they fit a lot better, seem to react virtually as well, and have most of that delicious flex. If I skied softer snow routinely, might favor the RX, actually. More forgiving in bumps and crud. 

 

Also agree that a bunion shouldn't be the primary rationale for a width; that's why punches and heaters exist. If your bunions didn't exist, sounds like you might be a LV candidate.

 

Also agree about the 5 degree question, it's a lot. Some kind of issue with your knees? The RS can be planed, the RX can't, AFAIK.


Edited by beyond - 11/18/15 at 7:21pm
post #7 of 23
RX can use a cantology shim to adjust cant
Heal and toe need to be routered afterwards
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

My Solomons ...

 

I like my Solomons ..


I´m afraid you got a cheap (China?) copy.

The original boots are called SALOMON.

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by BOOTech,Inc. View Post

Most all of the current Langes are built off of the same R2006 chassis. The RS boots are meant to look like the race boot and are built on a 97mm last and have solid soles. The RS Wide boots have the same liner, with a wider (100mm) last and replaceable toe and heel.

Solid soled boots are more rigid torsionally and are better platforms for sole modification.

The RX boots are in the all mountain category, so they get a softer zeppa, a slightly cushier liner and a high traction replaceable toe and heel. The RX 130 is the 100mm last and the RX130 LV is the 97mm.

While it is pointless to speculate on your stance over the interweb, 5 degrees of actual boot planing, in addition to being an off the charts amount, would require a solid soled boot.

My experience has been that if the amount is that large, perhaps something else was missed along the way. It is very rare that we cant a boot 3 degrees. Maybe twice a year?

Perhaps you meant .5 degrees. 5 degrees would make quite a mess of a XMax 120 sole.

jl

 

 

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I own the 26.5 RS130 LV with MV Dreamliners, agree with your characterization. Not The Perfect Boot, but best out of the box fit for narrow heels and wide forefeet I've found. I'm a B heel and D to E forefoot, FWIW, prefer the LV model, which really fits my ankle and heel, needed some expansion across the metatarsals. It's a generous LV compared to several other brands, and the length runs roughly 7 mm above several other brands. (Where I'm a 27.5.) 

 

Tried the RX, very nice boot, seems like the same last but touch less Right Now for my purposes, which necessarily involve a lot of firm snow and ice. The plastic feels a little different; I'm really into good plastic like you get in plugs. But in fact have begun to race in my RS's; while they're not quite as firm as my Sollie Lab plugs, they fit a lot better, seem to react virtually as well, and have most of that delicious flex. If I skied softer snow routinely, might favor the RX, actually. More forgiving in bumps and crud. 

 

Also agree that a bunion shouldn't be the primary rationale for a width; that's why punches and heaters exist. If your bunions didn't exist, sounds like you might be a LV candidate.

 

Also agree about the 5 degree question, it's a lot. Some kind of issue with your knees? The RS can be planed, the RX can't, AFAIK

 

 

Boot Tech, you hit it! The degree is probably 7 when it is all said and done. 5 on the sole, the foot bed is planed a couple of degrees at least and the lifter under boot is slightly planed. I broke tibula, fibula and ankle and have a rod in my right leg. When they put the leg together my right foot is twisted to the right. Had my stance realigned and a lifter was placed under my binding due to my leg now being shorter. Then my right binding was abducted, turned to the right on all my of my skis to match my foot and I skied fine. Could not demo anything and was unable to trade skis with anyone. Skied this way for 3 years always wondering if someone could set me up to ski straight. Went to see Bob Gleason on a trip to Telluride and he set me up to ski with my binding straight and in addition I gained a few more inches of carving on the right ski. Here is the post if you want to see the work by Bob.

As for the Lange RS 130, I was in the shop getting a Solomon X Max 120 I had bought,  set up with the 5 degree cant when the drill exploded, the boot broke. I had tried on the RS and it felt like it was painted on my foot. Just as you said I was told I would need a plastic bottom boot to do the 5 degrees so they made me an extremely great deal on the RS. I ran out of time but I am going back to get the RS and work done.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/127545/props-to-the-boot-dr-telluride-bob-gleason-alignment-canting-foot-beds-you-are-the-master

 

post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

I own the 26.5 RS130 LV with MV Dreamliners, agree with your characterization. Not The Perfect Boot, but best out of the box fit for narrow heels and wide forefeet I've found. I'm a B heel and D to E forefoot, FWIW, prefer the LV model, which really fits my ankle and heel, needed some expansion across the metatarsals. It's a generous LV compared to several other brands, and the length runs roughly 7 mm above several other brands. (Where I'm a 27.5.) 

 

Tried the RX, very nice boot, seems like the same last but touch less Right Now for my purposes, which necessarily involve a lot of firm snow and ice. The plastic feels a little different; I'm really into good plastic like you get in plugs. But in fact have begun to race in my RS's; while they're not quite as firm as my Sollie Lab plugs, they fit a lot better, seem to react virtually as well, and have most of that delicious flex. If I skied softer snow routinely, might favor the RX, actually. More forgiving in bumps and crud. 

 

Also agree that a bunion shouldn't be the primary rationale for a width; that's why punches and heaters exist. If your bunions didn't exist, sounds like you might be a LV candidate.

 

Also agree about the 5 degree question, it's a lot. Some kind of issue with your knees? The RS can be planed, the RX can't, AFAIK.

I also have a MV Dreamliner. Do you like that setup better then the stock liner? I am also a A/B heel and a the bunions make me wide in the forefoot. The RS when I tried it on was a dream fit!

post #11 of 23

My question for you is do you race?  If  not would the RS110 make more sense than the RS130?

post #12 of 23
So gave all those props to your boot fitter last spring and now your looking for a different boot? You're fitting your boot to your bunion... of course it feels great, but it will ski like crap because it will be TOO BIG/WIDE. Fit the foot, punch for the weirdness. And no, don't put a Dreamliner into your soon to be new Lange.
Edited by markojp - 11/19/15 at 8:45am
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Lorenzzo View Post

My question for you is do you race?  If  not would the RS110 make more
Might be reading a lot of posts on the internet that food is super stiff and not exactly what I need but my idea is to pack the Buddha nice with my foot in them in a plastic bag and just see how they flex in the shop so that pretty confident we could cut out channels and get the boot to flex where I need it
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My question for you is do you race?  If  not would the RS110 make more sense than the RS130?
You could be right. I read on the internet that is a super stiff boot and not exactly what I need. My idea is to pack the boot in ice at the Bootfitter and see how I flex when they're super cold. I'm pretty sure I can cut out the boot channels enough to get that boot to flex where I need it.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

So gave all those props to your boot fitter last spring and now your looking for a different boot? You're fitting your boot to your bunion... of course it feels great, but it will ski like crap because it will be TOO BIG/WIDE. Fit the foot, bunch for the weirdness. And no, don't put a Dreamliner into your soon to be new Lange.
Bob didn't pick out the Boot I came into the shop with a used boot and he worked on it. The boot is a gold choice good flex and a good fit for me it just seemed to me that the RS fit better than anything I ever tried.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

So gave all those props to your boot fitter last spring and now your looking for a different boot? You're fitting your boot to your bunion... of course it feels great, but it will ski like crap because it will be TOO BIG/WIDE. Fit the foot, bunch for the weirdness. And no, don't put a Dreamliner into your soon to be new Lange.
Bob didn't fit me with the boot I came into the shop with the boot and it was a good choice for me good fit good flex but I just tried on the RS accidentally and it feels like the best fit I ever had. I don't know where you get the idea I'm fitting the boot to my bunions I can't even get my right foot in the boot because of my bunions The boot is a very low volume fitting boot which is what I need for my heel is and my skinny feet. In addition I expect to pick up some performance over the Solomon
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

I also have a MV Dreamliner. Do you like that setup better then the stock liner? I am also a A/B heel and a the bunions make me wide in the forefoot. The RS when I tried it on was a dream fit!


Yes, much better than stock. 

post #17 of 23
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Yes, much better than stock. 

For high performance skiing, I think Levy would be better off with a zip fit or Head foam liner with a foamable tongue. Either of these options would be more precise. I also think the stock liner would be fine for awhile.
post #18 of 23
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I wonder if my BD liner would fit from my Solomon xmax
post #19 of 23
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I wonder if my BD liner would fit from my Solomon xmax

probably not well, but there is only one way to find out. 

post #20 of 23

If you fit the Lange well, you may not like the fit of the Salomon.  I would like the Lange, but my Instep isn't high enough and I get a perfect fit in the XMax, which by the way, is a killer boot too...for the right fit.

post #21 of 23
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If you read my post I have the Solomon now and I've tried on the Lang and it felt like it was painted on . I don't know if it'll be the boot for me till I go back to the fitter but I'm going to try and see. BTW The Lange rx 130 is the same but with a higher instep.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

If you read my post I have the Solomon now and I've tried on the Lang and it felt like it was painted on . I don't know if it'll be the boot for me till I go back to the fitter but I'm going to try and see. BTW The Lange rx 130 is the same but with a higher instep.

The boot sole is different. This is important as it portains to lateral stiffness.
post #23 of 23
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Thank for posting I forgot about that! If they can fit me in the boots in two weeks one of the things I was excited about was the reaction of the RS 130 compared to my Max 130. I have the idea it is going to be a significant improvement. 

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