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post #1 of 21
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So Mrs5150 and I stopped at Kirkwood Mountain Sports in hopes of finding her a new ski jacket. Had success.

 

So when I got home and looked at the receipt, I noticed we were charged a 3.5% resort fee. A fee for what? Using the men's room???

 

At 40 cents a mile and my time it is not worth the drive to complain.

 

So I will vent $8.13 worth. I guess they don't make enough charging over $100 for a lift ticket. And no, the jacket was not on sale either, but Mrs5150 liked it and we were tired of looking for the last year for a new jacket.

 

post #2 of 21

Sorry to hear about this additional fee added to (not insignificant) purchase.

 

Is this fee common at all CA resorts?  Is it common at any non-CA resorts?

 

Can the fee be recovered?  (I remember at one time (~20yrs ago) taxes paid by non-Canadians could be claimed at the border when leaving the country?

 

If not it could be a lesson learned.  Just buy item from another source (most likely internet).

post #3 of 21

That is a new one to me -- or maybe I just didn't pay attention.

I'm used to seeing "resort fee" tacked on hotel rooms, and the equivalent "airport concession fee" on rental cars, but not retail.  I guess they figure their high rent payments are your problem.

post #4 of 21

Taking a "resort fee" onto a retail transaction is just ridiculous. Was it clearly disclosed at the location? If not, I would be reaching out to them asking for it to be refunded.

 

I have no problem with those charges on hotel stays, but they have no place in the retail world.

post #5 of 21

Congratulations on getting a jacket you liked!

 

I know the Village at Squaw charges an extra fee on restaurants in the village (it upset a manager friend that we had it surreptitiously added). I guess it's not illegal or even uncommon. Just irritating.

 

No wonder our kids are so bad at math. A $1.00 product costs $1.08 unless you are skiing - then it's $1.11!?

 

Eric

post #6 of 21
Never knew that about kirkwood...hmmm. But I do know Big Sky charges a 4 percent tax on everything....
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by GreyPilgrim View Post
 

Sorry to hear about this additional fee added to (not insignificant) purchase.

 

Is this fee common at all CA resorts?  Is it common at any non-CA resorts?

 

Can the fee be recovered?  (I remember at one time (~20yrs ago) taxes paid by non-Canadians could be claimed at the border when leaving the country?

 

If not it could be a lesson learned.  Just buy item from another source (most likely internet)​

Never seen such a thing before-even at Kirkwood. But that was before the Vail group bought the resort. So much for buying equipment at that store again. It used to be a good place to do business, which I've done on the past on many occasions-that's why we went there. Their stuff is fine service is good, but if a 3.5% fee is the cost of doing business, no thanks.

post #8 of 21

This sounds like a cousin of the Mammoth Lakes Tourism Business Improvement District.

http://mltbid.com/

 

The TBID was quite controversial in Mammoth Lakes.  Because it is characterized as

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a benefit assessment district developed to help fund marketing and sales promotion efforts for Mammoth Lakes tourism businesses

it could be passed by the town council and not put to a popular vote as would be required for a tax in California.

post #9 of 21

Thanks for bringing this up here. Worth keeping an eye out for at Kirkwood and other resorts, and returning the item right at the register, unless it's a great deal. 

 

I'd think brick and mortar shops would be going the other direction on customer relations, given the bombing they've taken from the Internet over the years. 

post #10 of 21

All B&M shops are not the same.  Resort based shops have a much more captive audience and may be tempted to abuse that privilege.


Edited by Paul Lutes - 11/18/15 at 8:25am
post #11 of 21

Well the sales tax is only 7.5%   Usually you'd expect a total sales tax to get pushed to around 9-9.5% after the counties and cities have their add-ons to the base state tax.

 

So it's less of a cut as compared to if you were to shop at another brick and mortar in a bigger county/city.

post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by eleeski View Post
 

Congratulations on getting a jacket you liked!

 

I know the Village at Squaw charges an extra fee on restaurants in the village (it upset a manager friend that we had it surreptitiously added). I guess it's not illegal or even uncommon. Just irritating.

 

No wonder our kids are so bad at math. A $1.00 product costs $1.08 unless you are skiing - then it's $1.11!?

 

Eric

 

Ha, I assume you aren't living in SF, where Healthy SF fee is often passed along to customers but at arbitrary rates just depending on how much the restaurant thinks the customer won't complain about;  and so the menu prices can be kept low during ordering.

You see no extra fee, 1% 2% 4% it's all over the place.  So you really have no idea what the healthy SF fee will be at in a particular restaurant until you get the bill.

It's not illegal because it's an itemization of services.  It's not presented to you as a real tax. 

 

I suppose if you delve into the logic, the whole system odd that one eats prior to paying is off and a compromise that one doesn't know what one wants and might want to add on a drink or a dessert or more food.   I suppose tipping also is an anachronism that doesn't really fit into logic as well.
The resorts don't give you a lift ticket and say, oh we'll settle up the bill at the end of the day.  

Only other industry left where they bill you afterwards are like utilities and perhaps rentals, but all of those give you an clear estimate or take your credit card deposit.

post #13 of 21

A 'resort fee' is just another way of saying 'local sales tax'. 

 

My 'local hill' tacks on it's fee to most everything sold in the resort.  Food, Beverage, Clothing, Season Passes, you name it, it has a resort fee added.

 

Fair - not really.  Legal - unfortunately.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post


It's not illegal because it's an itemization of services.  It's not presented to you as a real tax. 

Not being illegal does not make it moral. Are you ok with being overcharged because making a 1000% profit is legal. Or that pharmaceuticals can charge $700 for a pill that is 20 years old and went for $13.50 before Turing )bought the rights to it? I am sure you will say no. Kirkwood preVail had no such fees. Makes me wonder if they charge that fee on top of season and daily pass prices.

I'd be fine if they would just jack up prices by 3.5% rather than toss in a surprise "tax" of 3.5%.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by ali pine View Post
 

A 'resort fee' is just another way of saying 'local sales tax'. 

 

My 'local hill' tacks on it's fee to most everything sold in the resort.  Food, Beverage, Clothing, Season Passes, you name it, it has a resort fee added.

 

Fair - not really.  Legal - unfortunately.

It's not though because of other tax reasons of how that money is cateogrized.

 

You can take sales tax as a deduction in your tax returns but you cannot for fees.

post #16 of 21
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Not being illegal does not make it moral. Are you ok with being overcharged because making a 1000% profit is legal. Or that pharmaceuticals can charge $700 for a pill that is 20 years old and went for $13.50 before Turing )bought the rights to it? I am sure you will say no. Kirkwood preVail had no such fees. Makes me wonder if they charge that fee on top of season and daily pass prices.

I'd be fine if they would just jack up prices by 3.5% rather than toss in a surprise "tax" of 3.5%.

 

i'm not defending these guys, i'm just perturbed that people get up in arms saying anything things they don't like should be illegal.  Make a decision with your wallet and your own choices.  

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post


Not being illegal does not make it moral. Are you ok with being overcharged because making a 1000% profit is legal. Or that pharmaceuticals can charge $700 for a pill that is 20 years old and went for $13.50 before Turing )bought the rights to it? I am sure you will say no. Kirkwood preVail had no such fees. Makes me wonder if they charge that fee on top of season and daily pass prices.

I'd be fine if they would just jack up prices by 3.5% rather than toss in a surprise "tax" of 3.5%.

 

i'm not defending these guys, i'm just perturbed that people get up in arms saying anything things they don't like should be illegal.  Make a decision with your wallet and your own choices.  

No, it shouldn't be illegal.  But some righteous indignation helps push back against this kind of thing.  Surprise add-ons and nickle-and-dimeing to make the marque price less than the real price annoy me too.  

post #18 of 21
After living half of my life here I still do not get how something that stores and services advertise /display as one price becomes another one at check out.

I walk into the store, look at the jacket, it is $250, fine, I am paying for it and all of a sudden ... boom, they ask me to dish out $278. WTF ???

I do not care who gets what, all I care is how much I spend.

Why and how is this system beneficial and better than "what you see is what you pay" system ?
post #19 of 21

We have a local gelato store whose menu board says "prices include sales tax".  It makes me happy every time I see it.  

post #20 of 21
Resort fee to gelato ... this has potential to be a very high quality tread hijack.

My best gelato in Rome, Gelateria del Teatro. Tourisrty, with possible wait during the day, but worth it.

Local gelateria is Paciugo. These guys do make good ice cream/gelato

Best gelato in ski resort ?
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post
 

So Mrs5150 and I stopped at Kirkwood Mountain Sports in hopes of finding her a new ski jacket. Had success.

 

So when I got home and looked at the receipt, I noticed we were charged a 3.5% resort fee. A fee for what? Using the men's room???

 

At 40 cents a mile and my time it is not worth the drive to complain.

 

So I will vent $8.13 worth. I guess they don't make enough charging over $100 for a lift ticket. And no, the jacket was not on sale either, but Mrs5150 liked it and we were tired of looking for the last year for a new jacket.

 


That's crazy.  That's why I buy my ski wear at the thrift shops!  You might want to try that!   I got all these one piece ski suits for like 20 to 30 dollars each!

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