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K2 Pon2oon - sizing recommendation

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hi All - 

 

Anyone have experience skiing both the 179 cm & 189 cm k2 pon2oon? gearing up to go cat skiing this year so needed some wider planks. There is a quite a bit of rocker both tip & tail - so does any one have any thoughts on whether this ski runs 'short' or actual length? 

 

Still need something i can pivot around in the trees so i'm little skeptical on the 189 length. 

I'm 5'9 220lbs - should be down to 210 by January.

 

Really appreciate any thoughts. Would of bought some Praxis's but unfortunately just not in the budget right now.

post #2 of 13
I'm 5'9 155# with the 179 Pon2oons and kind of wish I had the 189s.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 

Toecutter - what are the reasons your looking for the longer boards? also how are the 179's in the tree's? 

post #4 of 13

Good questions. I guess I could've addressed all that in my first reply. I bought the shorter skis because I was concerned about maneuverability and agility but it turns out that the skis have plenty of both. The longer (and slightly wider) skis would provide even more flotation on really deep days. Not that I'm disappointed with the 179s -- they're the most fun ski I've ever owned when there's enough snow -- but if some is good then more is better, right? 

 

I really like tree skiing and the K2s have been great. They smear really well and you can throw them sideways easily. They do "ski short" due to the rocker you mentioned. I feel more maneuverable on the Pon2oons than I do on my smaller boards. I need at least 4" of fresh snow on the ground before I'll take them. 

 

Since you outweigh me by 55-65# I think you'd enjoy the bigger size skis more. The only fit issue I had was finding brakes wide enough to clear the sides. Some bending might be necessary.

post #5 of 13

Here's Shane McConkey's advice on pontoon length in March 2007:

 

Another thing that people will hopefully figure out one of these days is that rockered skis need to be skied at least 5-10 cm longer (depending on the amount of rocker). If you normally ski a 179 cambered ski then a 189 Pontoon should be ideal for you. Rocker makes skis much quicker and maneuverable and makes them ride as if they are much shorter. If you go over the bars on a rockered ski then it is too short.

 

I believe that as time goes by people will warm up to the idea of needing longer skis if they have rocker. The trend for the last few years has been the opposite. The fatter you go the shorter you need has been the general consensus. I disagree but if we had made a 199 or 200+ Pontoon we wouldn't have sold any. If you want stability and maneuverability in a rockered ski then you have to go longer. You GET to go longer! People will begin to recognize this soon I think. Then hopefully rockered skis will be made in longer lengths.

 

 

He goes into mounting point here too:

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/?79565&p=1178626

 

He only posted about 15 times on TGR, and his last posts were about gathering up old Tyrolia 490 bindings to use while BASE jumping in Italy.  :( 

post #6 of 13

Keep in mind that K2 sandbags their sizing. So a 179 cm pontoon will be as tall as a 185 cm ski from another brand. I skied both and I definitely thought the 189 cm was a bit cumbersome through the trees.

post #7 of 13

Never skied the Pon2oon, but here's my take.

 

I have the 189 Shanetoons.  I ski them rarely.  Stupid-redic-blower-deep days only.  They're noodles.  I fold them in half.  Once it starts to get cut up, they just don't have enough backbone for me. 

 

I'm 5'11/195, and my favorite cat-skiing ski is the 190 Elan Boomerang(pre-TBT).  But really, the pow ski you're most comfortable on in variable snow will be the one for you.  You can't guarantee the conditions cat-skiing, so be flexible.  I have more pow days on old 186 Nordica Blowers than the K2s.

 

post #8 of 13

Where are you located?

post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 

so it seems we have varying opinions on both length - that could probably be attributed to the type of terrain? ie tree's vs wide open bowls up top? 

 

I have the 179 pontoons right next to a pair of Super 7 180 cm and the 179 pon2oon is about 1/4" to 1/2" longer - so its running a hair long but not that much it would seem.  The 2013  pon2oons flex out about the same as rossignol squad 7 - it seems like they actually have a back bone - not stiff like an experience 98 or anything but they feel solid at least.  

 

Caucasian Asian -  you make a really good point that ski i should go with is the one that i most comfortable with in variable snow - in addition to cat skiing i want to be able to use this on 5" + days inbounds. i like to be to ride a solid 3 days in a row - I get ready for it running & squats like no other - but on the longer boards my legs always turn to jello by the end of day 2 

 

Jonlevy77 - based out of the midwest-MN - I feel very fortunate to be able to make 3-5 trips (mainly Utah/Big Sky) out west each year - Limited demo access to western skis around these parts :)   first trip this year is Denver - Copper in January, would any of shops on i70 strip have the pon2oons avail for demo's? 

 

ill go check out the 189 pon2oon's tomorrow - but i remember them looking quite a bit longer than 190 sqaud 7 

post #10 of 13

Why are you so set on Pon2oon's? It's a pretty uninspired shape. There are so many better options out there.

post #11 of 13

The Pon2oons struck me as a ski that got less credit than they deserved (like the originals). If the price is right, a pair of those could be a great way to try a modern powder ski. Maybe not the very most inspired, but certainly not out of the zone by any means. I have other preferences, but I,d be happy enough playing with them on a trip.

 

I had only an hour or two on them a few years ago. But for my .02, I'd go longer for wide open spaces and shorter for trees.

 

As for stiffness - I think the Shanetoons and blue/whites were very appropriate for the design. Just a shade stiffer than the originals IIRC.

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Robs View Post
 

so it seems we have varying opinions on both length - that could probably be attributed to the type of terrain? ie tree's vs wide open bowls up top? 

 

I have the 179 pontoons right next to a pair of Super 7 180 cm and the 179 pon2oon is about 1/4" to 1/2" longer - so its running a hair long but not that much it would seem.  The 2013  pon2oons flex out about the same as rossignol squad 7 - it seems like they actually have a back bone - not stiff like an experience 98 or anything but they feel solid at least.  

 

Caucasian Asian -  you make a really good point that ski i should go with is the one that i most comfortable with in variable snow - in addition to cat skiing i want to be able to use this on 5" + days inbounds. i like to be to ride a solid 3 days in a row - I get ready for it running & squats like no other - but on the longer boards my legs always turn to jello by the end of day 2 

 

Jonlevy77 - based out of the midwest-MN - I feel very fortunate to be able to make 3-5 trips (mainly Utah/Big Sky) out west each year - Limited demo access to western skis around these parts :)   first trip this year is Denver - Copper in January, would any of shops on i70 strip have the pon2oons avail for demo's? 

 

ill go check out the 189 pon2oon's tomorrow - but i remember them looking quite a bit longer than 190 sqaud 7 

 

What other skis do you own?  There may be better pow skis on the market than the Pon2oon.  Skis that will perform better on the way back to the lift or on ski outs.

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 

I currently own as an all mountain soft snow ski - Rossignol Super 7 180(just traded away the soul 7 i had) and as and all my all mountain ripper - Rossignol Experience 98. No particular allegiance to Rossi, just ended up really liking both skis. 

 

Looking for more directional boards - dont really have a need for twin tips like a moment bibby or icelantic gypsy or bent chetlers(chetlers are too soft for me anyway). I got a deal on the pon2oon's(last years) at about $400.

 

Wish Praxis's where in the budget..

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