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New race skis for Dakine

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

I'm thinking of NASTAR and beer league once again this season.

My Volkl Race Tigers are retired and I want something new.

My Kastle RX's in 176 at 16 m are too abrupt for the courses they set on my home hill when I tried them last year (but I still got a Platinum on my second run).

I'm thinking the Rossi Hero Masters looks like what I want (175 and 18m).

My preference is for skis on the softer side.

Any thoughts or suggestions????

post #2 of 10

Atomic Redster Doubldeck 3.0 GS + X12TL

 

Blizzard WRC WC-Piston

 

or Blizzard WRC Racing

 

I have not skied either of these.

 

If I was looking for a ski like you mentioned,  these would be the skis I would be checking out!


Edited by Atomicman - 11/12/15 at 2:43pm
post #3 of 10

If you are at nubs, they are setting courses that scream 19m to 21m skis if your league sets are similar to nastar.  I do well there on my Nordica GSR's, but they really shine on loose sets straight down the fall line.  They don't really like change ups to medium radius turns without a huge amount of effort.  I'm looking at Rossi Hero LTs, Masters or the Elan Ripsticks to replace or compliment my Nordicas.

What is your pace setter running?  I can't remember his name, but he wears a black and white suit.

 

post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 

The Nubs pacesetters are using 23-27m skis.

I can't get those edge angles so that's why I'm thinking 18m.

When I ran my 16 m skis it seemed like I was overturning and waiting for the next turn.

It seemed to me that the course skied differently than it did when the pacesetters were on cheaters.

The number of gates is the same and the offset is the same but the rhythm is different..

I do have some 2006, 21m women's Atomics that are the real deal but my game has to be good to turn those in a tuck.

post #5 of 10

Vokle Race Tiger Cheaters 175 19.5m. Also some in 185. Shizz is FAST on NASTAR.  175 or 178 or 181 Fischer 21 or 23m R.  

 

You will have to look for these. :)

post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

The Nubs pacesetters are using 23-27m skis.

I can't get those edge angles so that's why I'm thinking 18m.

When I ran my 16 m skis it seemed like I was overturning and waiting for the next turn.

It seemed to me that the course skied differently than it did when the pacesetters were on cheaters.

The number of gates is the same and the offset is the same but the rhythm is different..

I do have some 2006, 21m women's Atomics that are the real deal but my game has to be good to turn those in a tuck.



The only thing tricky I found on the typical nub's nastar course set was the second gate and sometimes the 5th or 6th.  They like to put a good size jog in it or tight spacing when your skis aren't quite up to speed up top.  From there you need to make the call on living with a ski that's faster in the middle and bottom of the hill with less correctability and just suffer through the first two or three gates, or be a bit slower at the bottom but loose less time up top and allow for more small corrections.  Tuning counts as well, a 1 degree base bevel will give you a little more flat glide than a .5.
 

I'm actually parting ways with a skied on five times Volkl Racetiger 175 17.5M that are in near new shape, they were just a little too turny for my liking since I have been programmed to man handle my Nordica's.  The Volkls require a more finessed touch, initiation is awesome and I can rock the top half of the course, but for my bull in the china shop style they are a hair slower for me by the bottom.  I'm also really considering selling my backup race skis, a 176cm 21m Atomic Jr. GS ski that are also in superb condition.  They are a little slow to initiate, but the edge hold is killer and they have no problems generating the angles needed to keep my 185 lb body on course.  If you have any interest I'll keep them out of the ski swap in TC this weekend. I plan on hitting nubs for a tuning drop off next week and can meet you there.

My personal holy grail ski will be a 19.5 to 21M ski that initiates quick, can bend medium radius turns better than my GSRs while giving up little to nothing on the overall grip at speed.  All things point to Volkl, Rossi/Dyanstar and Elan to get it.  If I had picked up the 2013 Volkl Racetiger I had in a 180 and not a 175 I wouldn't be parting with it.

And as a bench mark, I'm about 185lbs, cyclist and cross trained athletic guy that is platinum in a suit and bounce between gold and platinum in a jacket.  I can't quite fully stay on top of a full on 27 or 30m race ski to make it work, but can score well on 19m to 23m skis.  Most of it comes down to timing and less strength.

post #7 of 10
So thats why teenage girls are faster than me. ;-)
post #8 of 10
Trail trimmer, it sounds like the Hero Master might be what you're looking for. 21m @ 180, very versatile in turn shape.

DaKine, sounds like gates 2-3 are tactical choices rather than ski radius. Step and skate vs arc.

You guys have fun at the TC ski swap! Haven't been to one since 1977. Bought a pair of 205 Spaulding Siderals for rock skis. smile.gif
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Trail trimmer, it sounds like the Hero Master might be what you're looking for. 21m @ 180, very versatile in turn shape.

DaKine, sounds like gates 2-3 are tactical choices rather than ski radius. Step and skate vs arc.

You guys have fun at the TC ski swap! Haven't been to one since 1977. Bought a pair of 205 Spaulding Siderals for rock skis. smile.gif

  

 

This!   SOP now with the bigger radius 30 &35M skis.  Basically you are charging the first couple of gates so you can get enough momentum to get the bigger angles you need to make them work.  The bigger radius (at least in the 30s) is not an issue past the second gate in a normal GS course

post #10 of 10
Considered Head iGS? You may get away with a longer radius >23M due to the even flex characteristics. By comparison I'm 30 lbs heavier but you are a little faster than me FWIW. I have Rossi WC construction 9GS 19M 180's which are quite similar to the Hero Masters. I like their stiffness and energy but last season began to over-turn them in beer league and even on NASTAR sets. Though I am getting close to Platinum, I don't think these are the right ski for me to reach that. Seems like most if not all the Platinum skiers I know are on 23M plus skis. Moving to the 23M Heads first in beer league and later will try them in the shorter NASTAR sets if I can bend them enough.
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