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Ski Choice [advanced, RTM84 or Experience 84 for tree skiing?]

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I am a 56 year old guy - 5'8" &160lbs, Advanced / expert. Like to ski in groomed but also glade and woods when new snow available. Looking at 2016 Volkl RTM84 and Rossignol Experience 84. Looking for input on the skis and really debating which length since I like go in glades and trees when available?

post #2 of 13

Hi, welcome to Epic. Few questions: What do you own now, and how do you like it; where do you ski mostly, and do you see yourself skiing there over the next few seasons; how are you on lessons; and finally, do you own a second narrower ski that you would keep, or is this a simple replacement of current skis for new ones? 

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Thread Starter 
Volkl vwerks & AC4. Not crazy about full rocker of vwerks and AC4 very heavy. Ski Midwest and travel back to VT visiting family. Rent out west. Looking as new ski as "one quiver" to replace others
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At this price.....

https://www.dawgcatching.com/skis/kastle/2015-kastle-fx94.html

I'm 5'6" and 165 lbs, I ski em in 176 but for trees you might go shorter.

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OK, helpful. IMO, the AC4 is the replacement candidate. Owned one, not Volkl's shining hour. Lose it or make it your rock ski, since its resale is about zero unless you need the binding. 

 

Vwerks would make a great tree ski anywhere there's over 4-5" of fresh for the same reason you don't like it; the full rocker and mass distribution makes it easy to pivot, light, low swing weight, plenty of float. Which you need in the trees unless you prefer to catch your tips on a hidden root and leave your ACL's somewhere uphill. Or maybe just realize it's too hard to turn to avoid that oncoming tree well. Yep, I know it's greasy feeling and can be a bit lively when the snow's rough. But worthy tradeoff. 

 

Plus you won't get that much for it on trade-in, maybe $250-$350 unless it's pristine. And you can stuff both that and a narrower ski into a single ski bag with a little imagination. 

 

So keep the Vw, go for something in the low to middle 80's with grip. At your size and level, the E84 would be great in the trees and bumps, but only OK on firm and will have a definite speed limit. Cannot speak to the new RTM84, said to be very nice if you want more of the Volkl feel but with camber. Wonder if it's a touch stiff for trees, but that may be my old prejudices. I'd take a look at the Blizzard Latigo, nice grip, very versatile for bumps and groomers and even trees sans much snow. Has a speed limit. Or if you want wider, the Fischer Motive 86, great all around for a lighter skier, excellent grip for VT, light and decisive. Alternatively, if you have the $$ and want smooooth, last season's Kastle FX84's, also at good prices for the brand, just a superb all purpose midwest/eastern if the emphasis is trees and bumps and irregular terrain. Will hold better than the other two, is more stable at speed. I ski in the east, think it's the best tree ski for periods between storms that I've ever tried. The new one (FX85HP) is said to be a touch better in bumps and tight places, a touch fewer carving chops.

 

But none of these are ice skates. If ice and grip are priorities, OTOH, I'd advise something like a Fischer Progressor or Blizzard Power 8, but you'll lose some versatility if that's also your sole travel ski. Too stiff and narrow for trees. Sweet everywhere else, though. 

post #6 of 13

I like the FX94 Dakine suggests (own a pair), but wonder how they'd be as your only midwestern ski. If you kept the AC4's for really firm days, and the FX94's for softer snow, then absolutely. Another model, then. 

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OK, helpful. IMO, the AC4 is the replacement candidate. Owned one, not Volkl's shining hour. Lose it or make it your rock ski, since its resale is about zero unless you need the binding. 

 

Vwerks would make a great tree ski anywhere there's over 4-5" of fresh for the same reason you don't like it; the full rocker and mass distribution makes it easy to pivot, light, low swing weight, plenty of float. 

I have a suspicion you are assuming he has this: 

 

when I suspect he probably has this:

 

the new Volkl RTM 84 is a higher performance ski than the Experience 84, a bit more demanding in bumps and trees but more rewarding if you have the technical chops. The E84 is a nice, easy going ski that will make bumps and trees 'easy'... well, 'easier'.

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I have been on the older RTM84 in a mid-70s cm length, not the latest model.  It was not bad overall, once in a turn it held quite well on hard pack, just felt a little too smeary fuzzy on initiation for my taste, but I like direct instant full engagement. Most people, I gather, prefer to have that engagement muted a bit.

 

What it was NOT, was a ski to make skiing trees and off-piste easier; skiing setup snow in trees was just as easy if not easier for me with any of my other main skis (165 Fischer WC SC, 190 Volant Machete G, 188 Völkl P50 ENERGY).

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The new RTM 84 is a different animal than the prior. I've heard raves from those I know who were on it last spring and they had them in a variety of conditions including 8" uncut and crud. They are all good skiers, at least one with a racing background who wouldn't have liked it if didn't initiate really well, she weighs maybe 130, the others towards 180-190.

Volkl's obviously clueless about branding up and down their line.
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The new RTM 84 is a different animal than the prior. I've heard raves from those I know who were on it last spring and they had them in a variety of conditions including 8" uncut and crud. They are all good skiers, at least one with a racing background who wouldn't have liked it if didn't initiate really well, she weighs maybe 130, the others towards 180-190.

Volkl's obviously clueless about branding up and down their line.


Apparently then, both models share that they are a high-performance model, not a make-it-easier model for intermediates who want to explore trees.

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^^^ At the risk of perpetuating the never skied the ski review....yes.
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the good input
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Thanks for the good input

 

 

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