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down hoody under shell with helmet

post #1 of 13
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Hi;

 

Sorry if this is a trite and stupid question--but I need a new down mid layer to pair with a shell that, like most shells, has a hood. I always thought that a hooded mid layer, plus the hood on the shell would be  too much bulk back there--even with the kind of feather weight down jackets they sell today. So the question is does any one ski with a hooded mid layer plus hooded shell? Is it workable? Are there benefits on storm days..I guess having the down insulation around the helmet is a plus. Thanks for your feedback. David

post #2 of 13

Both of my ski jackets have helmet compatible hoods and I have used the hoods maybe 2-3 times over 5-6 years.  I absolutely will not ski with the hood up, ride a lift, walk to car, but not ski.  If I need to turn my head quickly to look at something, I don't want anything obstructing my vision.  Just buy a down sweater, no hood, problem solved.

post #3 of 13
At times I'll ski with a hoodie mid-layer and shell hood up. It's a function of the hoods and the weather. It has to be cold, blowing and snowing, the hoodie hood has to fit back in there and the shell hood has to both work in concert and provide sideways visibility. Some jackets work some don't.

The good thing about down is it ought to compress and a little insulation stuffed back there can be nice in really severe weather. Best to try them out first and if you're buying find a combination that works.
post #4 of 13
Draw strings are nice when your a storm trooper.
post #5 of 13

i would say there is no plus to having the hood over your helmet.

The helmet itself provides all the insulation, especially if you got a helmet with closeable vents.  You'd put on a balaclava if you're head is cold.
 
The storm hood's purpose is more just so that snow or rain doesn't gather on your helmet and drip down your neck.  The hood isn't really to add warmth.  

 

Extra hood or may even get you colder by reducing ventilation and then you're wet.

post #6 of 13

Depending on the cut of the hood vs. shell neckline/face opening, you may be in for some uncomfortable compatibility issues.

 

I find a non-hoodie down mid-layer the most comfortable. Lighter down fill hoodies aren't too bad either only they just don't provide enough warmth for me.

 

If I'm gonna wear the down mid-layer on it's own around town or just stopping to get gas to or from the slopes, a hood is great, after all who wants to keep track of where the hat got to when you need it...

 

Anyway, I've been trying a few. For me so far the mid-layer hoodies with the least issues have been those that do not have cinch cords on the neck and the ones with face cutouts which begin under the chin. Example being the Arc'teryx Cerium SL down hoodie and TNF Summit L4 Thermoball hoodie or the older standard TNF Thermoball hoodies prior to the '15/'16 update.

post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

i would say there is no plus to having the hood over your helmet.
 

 

Certain days cold or storm I find a hood to be most helpful in my jacket.

 

I have no used a helmet, mid layer hood and shell hood.  I don't see the gain.

post #8 of 13
I actually bought the hooded midlayer first, an Arcteryx Atom LT, before I upgraded my shell. The Atom is the only midlayer I have tested that has a great hood that will go over a helmet, doesn't have drawstrings, but doesn't really need them as the elastic does a great job.

Once I upgraded my shell to a high quality gore tex pro shell, which the hood is also constructed of, I have never even used the Atom LT hood over the helmet. The hood just stays rolled up and behind my neck providing the benefit of extra warmth.

The gore pro hood gives me all the protection and added warmth I need if I ever find myself in need. But I agree with the sentiments above that the helmet by itself provides alot of warmth to begin with.
post #9 of 13
I used an Atom LT hoody on a -5 day at Red as extra insulation over my helmet on the chairlift and sure appreciated it. OTOH, I don't usually need any insulation over my helmet, and my hooded outer shell is usually a touch more comfortable with a non-hooded midlayer.
post #10 of 13
Many of my mid-layers have hoods. I wear them by themselves around town and under my hooded shell. I really don't see why I woulld pull the hood out and put over my helmet. Sometimes the mid-layer hoods are huge and don't fit the best under the shell so well. I have a Fission SV that I wear or stupid cold days.
post #11 of 13

I use a non-hooded midlayer with a hooded outer shell, and I do often use the shell's hood when the wind is blowing hard. Having a large hood over the helmet is a game changer as far as comfort goes. Even though the helmet provides some warmth, a hood over the helmet blocks out the cold air from your cheeks and neck. Having a double hood seems like it would be way too bulky though.

 

However, I prefer a breathable midlayer, such as powerstretch or fleece, rather than down or synthetic. When I'm skiing hard and working up a sweat, opening your outer shell layer's pitzips or front zipper doesn't do much to vent your torso if your midlayer has its own shell.

post #12 of 13

I wear the Patagonia Nano Puff w hoodie as a mid layer on colder days.  The hood fits snugly under my helmet and is super comfy.  You may need a little extra room in your helmet, but with the thickness of the hood on the nano puff it's not an issue for me.  There is no vision obstruction like you might get when using the hoodie on your shell or outer layer.  It seals in the back of your neck and I zip up the front to provide some face coverage.  You can still use the vents to release the extra BTUs when needed.

 

I know, it's pretty dorky, but most of the time you wouldn't know the hood is is under there.   There have been mornings where I roll out of my sleeping bag with hood up, throw on an outer layer and the helmet and I'm good to go.

 

That said, the nano puff is lightweight for a mid-layer.  If you really want a cold weather set up, I'd recommend looking at a heavyweight base layer with build in "scuba-like" hood combined with a non-hooded insulated mid-layer under your outer layer.  

 

As far as outer layer hoodies over the helmet go, I like a hood over helmet for the lift ride, but I won't ski with it up.  I agree - hood over helmet restricts sensory perception and should be avoided.

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

I use a non-hooded midlayer with a hooded outer shell, and I do often use the shell's hood when the wind is blowing hard. Having a large hood over the helmet is a game changer as far as comfort goes. Even though the helmet provides some warmth, a hood over the helmet blocks out the cold air from your cheeks and neck. Having a double hood seems like it would be way too bulky though.

However, I prefer a breathable midlayer, such as powerstretch or fleece, rather than down or synthetic. When I'm skiing hard and working up a sweat, opening your outer shell layer's pitzips or front zipper doesn't do much to vent your torso if your midlayer has its own shell.
The synthetic insulation vest is a good insulator and allows one to dump heat via pit zips. Wear one on many days, except the coldest days warrant more insulation in sleeves.
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