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2016 Head Raptor RS 120 - what size?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hello, and first off, THANKS in advance to all you boot-fitting experts out there for taking time to respond to the posts!

 

I'm an instructor looking for a better-fitting, performance-oriented boot (mostly for my free time and training outside of teaching).  I've liked what I've heard about this years Head Raptors, and thinking of ordering a pair.  My questions (and what I hope are useful comments) are as follows:

 

Current boot is a Salomon XPro 110 from last year, and 26.5 size, have custom footbeds and had them molded.  

 

Actual foot size as measured from longest toe to base of heel (for both feet) is 27 centimeters.

 

Foot width from first to fifth metatarsal (widest point of foot) is 100 mm, both feet.

 

Salomon XPros were purchased mainly for comfort (in the ski yard all day teaching, etc.), - the heel fit was great, and although it took awhile to break them in, the length seemed on point. Pretty good fit, but noticed over the course of last season they got pretty loose, especially in regards to sidewalls of the boot - I'm really hoping to find a boot that responds faster for my own skiing and will be doing a lot of bumps and steeps this year on my own time.

 

Questions really have to do with what size to order (I will be ordering through PSIA pro site).  I do have 30-day exchange return, however I wouldn't be able to have them customized or fit if I wanted to exchange.  So need to take the best educated guess on what size might make sense to start with (there are no actual Head dealers in my area where I can try a pair on).   This question comes down to going 265 or 270 - I know these boots are more race-oriented, and narrower fit, so perhaps 270 makes more sense, but again I was 26.5 in the Salomons.

 

Other than that one big question, also concerned with being able to get these fit - I'm close to Taos, so I'd likely take them to the Boot Doctors there, but they don't carry Head boots, so do I need a specific Head boot dealer to fit these?

 

Any other general comments or experience on what I might expect with these boots for performance, comfort, or just general tips to succeed with fitting are appreciated!

post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by jat273 View Post
 

Hello, and first off, THANKS in advance to all you boot-fitting experts out there for taking time to respond to the posts!

 

I'm an instructor looking for a better-fitting, performance-oriented boot (mostly for my free time and training outside of teaching).  I've liked what I've heard about this years Head Raptors, and thinking of ordering a pair.  My questions (and what I hope are useful comments) are as follows:

 

Current boot is a Salomon XPro 110 from last year, and 26.5 size, have custom footbeds and had them molded.  

 

Actual foot size as measured from longest toe to base of heel (for both feet) is 27 centimeters.

 

Foot width from first to fifth metatarsal (widest point of foot) is 100 mm, both feet.

 

Salomon XPros were purchased mainly for comfort (in the ski yard all day teaching, etc.), - the heel fit was great, and although it took awhile to break them in, the length seemed on point. Pretty good fit, but noticed over the course of last season they got pretty loose, especially in regards to sidewalls of the boot - I'm really hoping to find a boot that responds faster for my own skiing and will be doing a lot of bumps and steeps this year on my own time.

 

Questions really have to do with what size to order (I will be ordering through PSIA pro site).  I do have 30-day exchange return, however I wouldn't be able to have them customized or fit if I wanted to exchange.  So need to take the best educated guess on what size might make sense to start with (there are no actual Head dealers in my area where I can try a pair on).   This question comes down to going 265 or 270 - I know these boots are more race-oriented, and narrower fit, so perhaps 270 makes more sense, but again I was 26.5 in the Salomons.

 

Other than that one big question, also concerned with being able to get these fit - I'm close to Taos, so I'd likely take them to the Boot Doctors there, but they don't carry Head boots, so do I need a specific Head boot dealer to fit these?

 

Any other general comments or experience on what I might expect with these boots for performance, comfort, or just general tips to succeed with fitting are appreciated!

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by jat273 View Post
 

Hello, and first off, THANKS in advance to all you boot-fitting experts out there for taking time to respond to the posts!

 

I'm an instructor looking for a better-fitting, performance-oriented boot (mostly for my free time and training outside of teaching).  I've liked what I've heard about this years Head Raptors, and thinking of ordering a pair.  My questions (and what I hope are useful comments) are as follows:

 

Current boot is a Salomon XPro 110 from last year, and 26.5 size, have custom footbeds and had them molded.

 

Salomon X-Pro boots are noted for having a roomy toe box---Head Raptors are not.  The published width on the Head Raptor is 96mm in a 26.5 and 98mm in a 27.5 so you will most likely need to have the boots stretched to be able to wear them.  So much depends on your "foot shape" compared to the Raptors "last" shape---something a good boot fitter could just look at and know whether it would fit or not---from here--- I can't venture a guess.

 

Actual foot size as measured from longest toe to base of heel (for both feet) is 27 centimeters.

When you say "the base of the heel" are you meaning to say, the back of the longest part of you foot at the heel?

 

Foot width from first to fifth metatarsal (widest point of foot) is 100 mm, both feet.

 

Salomon XPros were purchased mainly for comfort (in the ski yard all day teaching, etc.), - the heel fit was great, and although it took awhile to break them in, the length seemed on point. Pretty good fit, but noticed over the course of last season they got pretty loose, especially in regards to sidewalls of the boot - I'm really hoping to find a boot that responds faster for my own skiing and will be doing a lot of bumps and steeps this year on my own time.

 

Questions really have to do with what size to order (I will be ordering through PSIA pro site).  I do have 30-day exchange return, however I wouldn't be able to have them customized or fit if I wanted to exchange.  So need to take the best educated guess on what size might make sense to start with (there are no actual Head dealers in my area where I can try a pair on).   This question comes down to going 265 or 270 - I know these boots are more race-oriented, and narrower fit, so perhaps 270 makes more sense, but again I was 26.5 in the Salomons.

 

Other than that one big question, also concerned with being able to get these fit - I'm close to Taos, so I'd likely take them to the Boot Doctors there, but they don't carry Head boots, so do I need a specific Head boot dealer to fit these?

 

I would think Boot Doctors would work on your boots regardless of the brand.

 

Any other general comments or experience on what I might expect with these boots for performance, comfort, or just general tips to

succeed with fitting are appreciated! 

 

Get the 26.5 and do a shell check---if you have enough room (15mm or a little less) then have the shell work done and the liner molded---all good.

Good luck

 

mike

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Awesome Mike, thanks for the advice!

 

To your question - yes, mean the longest part of my foot at the back of the heel. So basically, if I put my heel up against a wall, and then marked off the longest extension of the toe, that measurement appears to be precisely 26.98 centimeters (assuming a conversion from 10 5/8ths inches).  

 

I have what I'd consider a pretty standard foot - both measure same, @ 27 centimeters length and 100 mm last.  I just got off the phone with a rep on east coast at a store out there that also recommended I measure from the center/back of heel over my instep and back around full circle to that back heel point - for that measurement I've got 13 1/2 inches, or 34.3 centimeters.  I've never had that measurement taken, so hopefully I was doing that right.

 

I agree that Boot Doctors would work on the boots most likely, and really at this point attempting to determine if I should go 26.5 vs. 27.5.  I've come to understand that a 27.5 is in fact the same size as a 27.00, and it's just the footbed that's different.  Again, that's just what I've read (http://blistergearreview.com/gear-101/boot-fitting-101/boot-fitting-101).

 

All things considered, I think I will order the 26.5 if you think wise - although a bit nervous, since the last on that boot is only going to be 96 mm.  Based on your recommendation Mike, if all of the above doesn't change your position, I will order 26.5 and take them into Taos once they arrive.  At that point I can always exchange or return for a size up.

 

Anybody/Everybody reading these posts - be grateful!  Good bootfitting advice is very hard to come by, and these guys do it out of the kindness of their hearts.  :)

post #4 of 11

Raptor 120 is 98mm lasted boot like nearly all recreational race boots.  It means they fit C width foot easily without any work to widen the forefoot other than bunions or other problems.  The fitters at Boot Doc will easily be able to accommodate the minor forefoot compression you'll have in the 26 and I'll bet in the end they will be more comfortable than the Salomons and ski better as well.

 

Ignore any differences mentioned by anyone regarding .0 and .5 shells.  There are none including the liner and the footbed.  One day the industry will just do away with this stupidity.  Order either size the fit will be identical.

 

I think Mike is recommending the 26 and I agree with him.  We sell bags of Raptors and they fit very true to size.  

 

Good luck and thanks for the pat on the back.

 

Lou

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks Lou,

 

I've gone ahead and ordered the pair, and they will be 26s (or 26.5 as published from the store, but same thing as you've said).  Thanks for the simple explanation on the fact that Boot Doctor should be able to handle fitting these to size, that is a great help and confidence-building for this decision.  I did do a shell-check measurement with the Salomons, and without any liner and toes pushed to front I have 1/2 inch leeway from back of boot to heel, so yeah, I'd think that it's just a modification and heating/stretch that they'll do with either the shell, liner, or both.  I'm looking forward to trying these out and will let you guys know.

 

Now all I have to figure out is what skis I should be pairing up with these things!  Rossy Experience 88s were my go-to last year, and this year I'm looking at the Nordica NRGy series (90 and 100 options), Blizzard (Brahmas or Bonafides) and Volkl 90eight/100eights as possibilities.  

 

As it pertains to these particular boots, if there is any advice on the best type of ski or waist size, camber or no camber (as you might imagine I prefer some camber) etc.,  that would be useful to understand.

 

Thanks again!

post #6 of 11

boots are fit and bought to fit your feet

 

skis are bought and suited for terrain.

 

 

what boots you have doesn't determinant what skis you will buy  (unless you are color matching skis and boots)

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Dave:

 

Thanks for your reply.  I'll keep all that in mind moving forward.

 

Lou (or Mike):

 

Apparently I haven't worded my question with the proper amount of clarity to satisfy the masses - so let me do so now. I'm asking if these particular boots, which are more racing-focused, have a far greater forward lean and stiffer shell out of the box than most "all-mountain" boots, and of course the much narrower last, might be suited for more than just racing and driving turns on-piste, i.e., bump and powder days, and the type of equipment oriented to that terrain.

 

Cheers!

post #8 of 11
265 should be right for you. Do the shell fit verification. We carry the Raptor 120 in the Telluride Boot Doctors. S BootDoctors is an authorized dealer.
Cheers
post #9 of 11

The only thing that makes any "Race" boot race focused is the word race in the manufacturers description.  To any boot fitter they are 98mm boots period.  You should think of them the same.  As Mtnlion said they don't care about terrain, they don't care about skis.  You may care to make a flex choice based on terrain and the type of skier you aware, but that is all.  Buy a pair of good fitting boots and do whatever the hell you like with them, it won't matter.

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks again all, I actually got another message this morning from someone who is in a similar (albeit more experienced) position to mine as far as use case, and this information along with everything from this post has made this an easy decision.  So I'm full speed ahead on the the 120s, I'll try to post back here once I've skied for awhile with some feedback on experience.  

 

Cheers!

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

As promised, following up after I ordered a pair of 303mm underfoot (26.5 mondo) Head Raptor 120 RS.  Want to thank the posts and replies, especially from Lou and the Boot Dr. Taos.  These guys were right on the money.  I ordered the 26.5 and had them fit @ Boot Doctors in TSV by Margie, she did great work.  As is per usual with any new boot (if you've been enlightened on this topic as I needed to be once upon a time), it barely fit my foot when I first tried them on, but I did a shell fit without the liner and had maybe a finger's width to spare.  This was to be expected however, since I was looking for a much tighter fit than the Salomon QuestPro boot (110 flex) I'd been in last year.

 

These boots are AMAZING - I ski and instruct for hours a day, mainly as much as I can get on the hill, which works out to probably 20-30 hours a week of skiing.  The narrower last and more form-fitting side wall, for me at least, has given me the extra edge I was looking for - the skis respond quickly to what I'm asking for with my feet.  Took a bit of getting used to, but all in all worked out better than I'd hoped.  

 

Thanks again for all the assistance guys!

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