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Blizzard Brahma & Tail Rocker Question

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
In my search for new 90(ish) skis this ski is on my short list to demo in Dec. My local shop says there is no tail rocker but every buyers guide & the manufacturer says there is some. My question is how many of you would want a Midwest/ East coast ski with tail rocker? I demo'd a few skis with it last spring and they felt squirrelly to me on hard pack. What thoughts are out there about this ski or others you'd recommend?
post #2 of 16
I wouldn't label the Brahma as squirrelly at all.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
The reviews I've read do not either. But would you want tail rocker in this type of ski? Can you load the tail of this ski?
Edited by cbtbakkes - 11/4/15 at 7:22pm
post #4 of 16

Quickest way to make the Brahma, and several other skis I can think of, squirrelly is to be in the backseat or for the binding to be mounted too far back.  I have demo bindings on my Nordica Steadfast, another ski that dislikes backseat skiers, and one day decided to see what would happen if I moved the bindings back 1cm.  I survived one run but they were almost uncontrollable.  I reset them and I had my favorite ski back.  I skied the Brahma last year at Big Sky and the conditions were very firm.  I thought they had excellent grip and were very stable on the hardpack, even arcing high speed GS turns.

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
All of the skis I demo'd were much shorter than I'd want which didn't help. So for a large aggressive skier is tail rocker a good thing on this type of ski? The other skis on my list are all flat tails.
post #6 of 16

Try the others and decide which you like.

post #7 of 16

I don't need no schtinking rocker - on my hard-snow skis.

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by cbtbakkes View Post

In my search for new 90(ish) skis this ski is on my short list to demo in Dec. My local shop says there is no tail rocker but every buyers guide & the manufacturer says there is some. My question is how many of you would want a Midwest/ East coast ski with tail rocker? I demo'd a few skis with it last spring and they felt squirrelly to me on hard pack. What thoughts are out there about this ski or others you'd recommend?


I've been on the Blizzard Bushwhackers for the past two seasons (which is the same ski as the Brahma, but without the metal layers - it suits a lighter skier like me better than the Brahmas).  I can assure you that all of the Blizzard "Bull" (freeride) skis have a moderate and very-noticeable dose of real tail rocker (not just "early rise").  They can be precise and edge well on hard pack IF you ski them centered (i.e., with pressure mainly applied to the camber area).  The tip/tail rocker of these skis do not allow you to use the tip to pull you into a turn nor to pop you out of a turn on hardback.  I've learned to adapt to the technique required since they allow the ski to perform way better in softer/deeper/trickier snow vs. skis with little/no tip/tail rocker.  I especially like the tail rocker in trickier or tight (trees) conditions since it releases without hesitation.  In fact once I learned the "centered" technique I found that I was skiing groomers and bumps more smoothly and controlled (which is the direction I am heading at age 60).  If, however, you ski mainly hardpack and/or you want to use the entire length of a ski on hard-pack then I'd look elsewhere. 

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you! This is the kind of feedback I was hoping for...
post #10 of 16

I would say skis like the Brahma (relatively 'normal' sidecut with moderate tip and tail rocker) have a dual personality. It is what gives them very differing 'reviews' on sites like Epicski, we all ski different. If you ski with lower edge angles, they are easy to steer and pivot but don't pull you into the turn or have a lot of energy at turn completion (great in bumps and trees)... but if you generate a lot of edge angle early, they behave like a fully cambered ski for the most part, the rocker doesn't diminish the stability or the energy (great on firm groomers). If you are looking for a versatile all-mountain ski for 50% groomed 50% ungroomed then the Brahma could be an excellent choice. If you don't ski off trail or in moguls and stability at speed and energy from rebound is a priority, then there might be better choices.

post #11 of 16

^^^^^That pretty much sums it up.

 

The Brahma is my only ski, and I would not call it squirrely at all.  I can lay it over and carve away happily.  That said, I spend a lot time in the bumps and trees and not a lot skiing groomers on it so the tradeoffs that it makes are a good fit for the terrain and conditions I ski.

post #12 of 16

Wouldn't use the term "squirrelly" to describe most decent skis with early rise tails. But I would say that I can feel a difference. The tail feels a bit vague at the end of the turn. This doesn't affect its ability to carve, but it may impact its predictability or precision near the end of the arc. Which is why you sometimes see race skis now with early rise tips, but don't hold your breath about the tails. If you think about it, some of the feel is about having nothing in contact with the snow back there at lower edge angles. So a shorter running length in back, as said above, can get awkward if you sit back. Then as the angle increases, IMO some of the vagueness is about having a pre-ordained flex built in which may or may not match what the middle of the ski's doing. More noise in the system.

 

OTOH, how many people actually finish (or start) their turns on a big edge with a 90 mm ski anyway? Precision isn't usually high on folks' priority lists for mid-fat skis. Nor should be carving, really. Reportedly, the Brahma is a fine ski with solid grip. Go for it. 

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of your feedback and thoughts. I definitely want to demo this ski!
Last year I had a really hard time finding demo's longer than a 170 so with rocker at both ends they all felt like snow blades and they were just overpowered and didn't set an edge well. I'm hoping to find all the demo's I want to ski in a 180+ this fall !!
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by cbtbakkes View Post

Thanks for all of your feedback and thoughts. I definitely want to demo this ski!
Last year I had a really hard time finding demo's longer than a 170 so with rocker at both ends they all felt like snow blades and they were just overpowered and didn't set an edge well. I'm hoping to find all the demo's I want to ski in a 180+ this fall !!

I know what you mean! I demoed an Atomic Automatic 109 last season in 175 cm, beurk ( 6' and 215 pounds)! felt like they had no tail, then the 182 was available... much better but still not enough tail... The 189 should have been right on I guess... But 189 for tight trees is too long for me... Tried the Soul 7 in 180 and felt really nice! Both have tip and tail rocker but not in the same amount

 

There is as much different type of tail rocker as there is skis... Also, you have to check for the lenght of the rocker (spaly I think?) and the angle of the rocker ( how agressive it is)... I think they should always make 3 pictures of a pair of skis: one upfront to see the cosmetic and the sidecut and 2 sideways with one where they are only held together and the other where they are squeezed together so we can see the rockers...

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

I think they should always make 3 pictures of a pair of skis: one upfront to see the cosmetic and the sidecut and 2 sideways with one where they are only held together and the other where they are squeezed together so we can see the rockers...

ON3P sort of does that.  You can see it here, http://www.on3pskis.com/skis/billygoat/ 

post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

ON3P sort of does that.  You can see it here, http://www.on3pskis.com/skis/billygoat/ 

You're right! So does 4rrnt and Armada... Seems like smaller companies are more willing to share technical details about their skis while bigger ones just sit on it...

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