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post #1 of 13
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I bought a Atom LT (in large) this autumn which have been fantastic and fit like a glove. (im 6'2, 175)

 

So i deicided to order a BETA AR since i enjoyed my atom so much and i got a good deal, in size L.   Fit was awful though. It's huge, very boxy in the fitting (yes even with down/atom under).

Therefor i wonder, do people generally size down in their hard shell? Well i deicided to return it, since my needs are not really that hardcore for weather.

 

This was the first hard shell i've felt, and i think i misjudged what i need (e.g. not severe weather protection) and thus i've looked into the softshell jackets.

I'm mainly looking at the Gamma MX, which i think will fit my needs  (resort skiing, some outdoorsy. Just "regular" activities)

 

So i wonder regarding the gamma MX:

1) Is it a good jacket for skiing? Will it be cold due to not stopping wind?

2) How good is the water protection?

3) Should i order Large or Medium  (Large in atom, Medium in patagonia down sweater, Large R1)

post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by avid2 View Post
 

I bought a Atom LT (in large) this autumn which have been fantastic and fit like a glove. (im 6'2, 175)

 

So i deicided to order a BETA AR since i enjoyed my atom so much and i got a good deal, in size L.   Fit was awful though. It's huge, very boxy in the fitting (yes even with down/atom under).

Therefor i wonder, do people generally size down in their hard shell? Well i deicided to return it, since my needs are not really that hardcore for weather.

 

This was the first hard shell i've felt, and i think i misjudged what i need (e.g. not severe weather protection) and thus i've looked into the softshell jackets.

I'm mainly looking at the Gamma MX, which i think will fit my needs  (resort skiing, some outdoorsy. Just "regular" activities)

 

So i wonder regarding the gamma MX:

1) Is it a good jacket for skiing? Will it be cold due to not stopping wind?

2) How good is the water protection?

3) Should i order Large or Medium  (Large in atom, Medium in patagonia down sweater, Large R1)

 

It's useful to know where you live/generally ski (only bluebird days vs. storming powder days vs. wet PNW) and the amount of waterproofing you truly need.  

 

Have you looked at their website for the sizing chart (trim fit of Atom LT vs. athletic fit of Beta AR and Gamma MX)?

http://arcteryx.com/Sizing-Charts.aspx?EN

 

Gamma MX is a softshell, not waterproof.  Beta AR is Gore-Tex Pro which is waterproof.  Huge different here.  

http://arcteryx.com/product.aspx?language=EN&gender=mens&model=Gamma-MX-Jacket

 

Last year I compared different jackets online on company website, tried out Arc jackets at a number of stores (from small independent to large chain) for sizing, and spoke to a number of store staff who were mostly unhelpful.  However, I found calling the Seattle Arc retail store to be tremendously helpful in comparing different models and updates from previous years.  (206) 462-6058.  Of course, folks here may have personal experience and preferences to add.  

 

Good luck!

post #3 of 13

When it comes to hard shells, where the outer skin doesn't stretch at all, the cut is left a little more full in order to allow movement and layering.  I'm 6'4" and 210lbs, and I have a couple of Sidewinder SVs, a Stinger and a Caden - all in XL - and they're all just a little over-size on me, which is what I'm looking for and likely how they're designed.  I actually don't mind the fuller shape, nor do I mind the stiffer, more 'crackly' feel of the hard shell, but each to their own in that regard.

 

The Arc'teryx shell lineup has so many differing models across a number of years, and they're all cut slightly differently for differing body shapes and preferences.  That being the case it's not possible to make a judgement on Arc'teryx shells based on just one model of jacket.  It's a bit of a maze, so give the store a call to figure out what is most likely to work for you ... "I like my Atom in Large, didn't like the Beta in Large, what will work for me?" type of thing.

 

I use a Gamma MX (without a hood) as my mid layer.  It's more of a wind breaker than a ski jacket.  In my opinion it would work for skiing in fine, spring conditions, but I wouldn't want to be relying on it to keep me dry or warm in bad conditions mid-winter.

 

Best of luck.

post #4 of 13
I bought a soft shell last year that was just too heavy & bulky. I bought a new hard shell for skiing this year!
post #5 of 13
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I bought a soft shell last year that was just too heavy & bulky. I bought a new hard shell for skiing this year!

 

that may be.   I have some soft shell stuff I rarely wear, mainly due to the cut.  too formfitting for my taste.  My favorite hard shell is just that an extremely light weight Arcteryx  moedl I don;t remember how old, roomy enough to layer underneath for almost any weather and very comfortable.

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by cbtbakkes View Post

I bought a soft shell last year that was just too heavy & bulky. I bought a new hard shell for skiing this year!


Yeah, I thought about a soft shell, decided to go with a 3L Polartec Neoshell this season.

 

Picked up a Eddy Bauer First Ascent Neoteric jacket (the non insulated version).

Haven't used it yet so the verdict is still out but really liking it compared to my 3L Goretex shell.

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Wow. This guy owns four hard shell jackets, which he's probably going to replace with two soft-shell jackets. I imagine he gets a discount, but wow remains my reaction.

 

I can only own one at a time, and that one needs to last me a while. One jacket for all conditions — I think that's what most people have, right?

post #9 of 13
I have 1 good shell for 4 seasons, an old jacket for when things will get dirty or may be damaged and a windbreaker.
post #10 of 13

I'm similar in size (6'2", 180) and have one Atom in Med, one is Large.  Medium I use for trim-fitting midlayer, Large I use for outer when walking around town.  Beta AR is not a great jacket choice for us tall and lanky fellows.  Arcteryx has multiple jackets for different "cuts" to suit different body styles.  The Beta is NOT one I'd recommend for you.  I wear an Arcteryx Rush jacket, it's better suited to our build.  I can fit a medium, but I own a Large as a more "freeride/relaxed" fit. (see my avatar for the Rush jacket I'm wearing in the photo)

 

I also own the Gamma MX (yes, I'm an Arcteryx fanboy, I admit) and I wouldn't consider using it for skiing UNLESS it were very mild and sunny outside for spring skiing (which doesn't happen here in the East).  I also would not use the Gamma as a midlayer either, it's poorly designed for that use; it's most definitely an outer layer for around town or light duty outdoor activities in nice weather. It's not waterproof, and the cut is not conducive to layering underneath for skiing, and also doesn't have the coverage of a more traditional outer "hard" shell.  I own it in a Large so I can wear a fleece underneath around town.

 

Keep looking at Arcteryx shells, but one that fits your physique better.  I suggest the Rush, Caden, Stingray, and Sabre.  Those are 4 which fit guys like us, and there's enough stylistic differences between them to find something you like.

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

 

-  (yes, I'm an Arcteryx fanboy, I admit) -

 

- Keep looking at Arcteryx shells, but one that fits your physique better.  I suggest the Rush, Caden, Stingray, and Sabre.  Those are 4 which fit guys like us, and there's enough stylistic differences between them to find something you like.

I'm not a Arc' fanboy, just like the way some of their schmattas fit and love the fossil logo even though I prefer logos be on the inside tags. OTT I find the stuff too spartan, lacking useful features like pockets!

 

Also that I and everyone else knows how overpriced Arc' apparel is, I feel like a a$$hole walking around in it!

 

I have a Cerium SV because of fit, quality of down and amount of fill for something that can still function as a mid-layer. I freeze on cold East coast days riding lifts in lighter mid-layers. For such a expensive jacket it shouldn't have elastic waist pull-cords hanging out the sides:\

 

Will probably purchase a pair of Arc' ski pants off season because they offer a Short length option.

post #12 of 13

I have the Cerium LT, which I use as a midlayer for really cold days, or as an outer around town with a fleece underneath.

 

To be honest, I don't like Arcteryx because of the logo, brand recognition, or whatnot.  I only like them because their stuff fits me REALLY well, after having tried many MANY different brands.  I'm also careful to always buy Arc' stuff when it's on sale or clearance, usually at least 30% or I don't buy it.  I would never pay full price, even though I do love the fit on me.

 

As for pockets, I do agree, sometimes a bit less "minimalist" would be nice.  But then again, I have a regular resort jacket for those days :D

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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post
 

I have the Cerium LT, which I use as a midlayer for really cold days, or as an outer around town with a fleece underneath.

 

To be honest, I don't like Arcteryx because of the logo, brand recognition, or whatnot.  I only like them because their stuff fits me REALLY well, after having tried many MANY different brands.  I'm also careful to always buy Arc' stuff when it's on sale or clearance, usually at least 30% or I don't buy it.  I would never pay full price, even though I do love the fit on me.

 

As for pockets, I do agree, sometimes a bit less "minimalist" would be nice.  But then again, I have a regular resort jacket for those days :D

Cerium LT fits me perfect and I like that the hood "collar/face cutout" doesn't extend beyond my neck/jawline. Only and aside from being sewn through baffling, it has two other sources of cold air leakage, no flap of fabric behind the zipper and no adjustable elastic waist band at the hemline! I find it to be not warm enough for my needs.

 

SV is also sewn thru baffling, at that price point should at least have box-baffling of the main body, as they gave this years Thorium SV hoodie.

 

Also so many reviews of feathers constantly poking thru the fabric and those sewn thru baffles, have they not heard of Pertex fabrics? Must be a reason so many manufactures are using the stuff - http://www.pertex.com/

 

Btw, it's not not just their jackets which lack pockets, have a look at their pants! Personally, I want just as many if not more pockets skiing in the backcountry then when skiing inbounds.

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