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A map of the alps with all ski resorts - what do you think

post #1 of 17
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Hey everybody,

I am a passionate skier from hamburg (favourites are Serfaus, 3 Vallées and Stubaital). Along with a friend of mine, we wasted our summer by mapping 636 ski resorts of the alps to create a map. This involved mapping 636 ski resorts as well as illustrating 30 mountains of the alps. And we gathered blue, red and black piste kilometers as well as height data for each resort.

We would love to know what you think. Is it missing something, do you like it, do you have any ideas for another map? This is the ski community with I believe the most skiers and any feedback would help the design process.

 

 

 

We're live on Kickstarter right now. If you desire, you find more information here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/970979684/the-alps-636-ski-resorts-one-map

Thank you for your help!

Lana & Stefan

post #2 of 17


looks neat...

 

Just for your information in your pictures there is  a mistake in the title in french.

 

it should probably read "Stations de ski dans les alpes"

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi Yann, thanks. 

we know that. A few guys told us about it. We will update the picture as soon as we'll print out another map.

post #4 of 17
This is PAPER? How Old World. ;-)
post #5 of 17

are you planning to sell these?  (i would buy one).  can you post a detailed JPG so I can look closer?  thanks.

post #6 of 17
That's what the Kickstarter link is all about. They are offering them with estimated delivery before Xmas. Many times I don't like the idea of crowd funding, but it seems well-suited to something like this - straightforward product that doesn't require a ton of investment to produce. They've already doubled their goal.

cool map and I might just back have to order one!
post #7 of 17

It is awesome but I might have chosen green/white instead of blue/grey.

post #8 of 17
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It is awesome but I might have chosen green/white instead of blue/grey.


Thanks. We tried that as well as some other colors, but it looked to much like ... grass. We preferred to give it a glacier look.

post #9 of 17

Beautiful map Lana and Stefan! Congratulations. Blue/grey definitely does work for me!

post #10 of 17

does it include the Dolomites?  very cool.  

post #11 of 17

This summer, with assistance from two collaborators, I have created a Google Earth kml file with 1,884 ski resorts around the world pinned. 

 

Free download here:

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/ski-snowboard-downloads/

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download: World Ski Map for Google Earth (192.85KB) clicks: 5377
added: 18/07/2007
clicks: 5377 Download this file to display the locations of nearly 2,000 worldwide ski and snowboard areas in Google Earth. (Formerly Ski Map North America, this was expanded to worldwide coverage in Sept. 2015.)

 

I don't know the exact number of the 1884 resorts that are in the Alps, but a similar 600-700 is the likely number.  The Alps were the most time consuming part of this project. My objective was to put the pin in actual ski terrain (vs. at town or resort level), and when the terrain is far above tree line it can take some time to find. Marmota's map has the attractive feature of outlining the ski terrain, so it's easy to see the scale of the ski area and what's interconnected.   My pins will make it easy to see nearby lifts, trail cuts, but you need to explore around a bit, perhaps with the aid of an online trail map to determine the overall scale of a resort. For vast complexes I put in multiple pins to aid this process.

 

The interactive features of Google Earth provide some advantages over a conventional flat map in getting the feel for a ski resort.

1) The exact altitude of your mouse pointer is shown at the bottom of the map.  By moving it from top to bottom of lifts and trails, you can learn the altitude range of selected sectors of a resort as well as the overall published stats. 

2) Tilting the map to a more 3-D view shows you steepness/flatness of topography. 

3) Tilting the map to 3-D view and noting the compass at upper right in Google Earth shows you the direction of exposure of ski slopes.  This is particularly useful in the Alps, where resorts are so far flung that a 2-dimensional trail map is often used to represent multiple exposures so very difficult to figure our on your own any other way.

 

I sent Dustyfog a copy of this map while in development this summer. 

post #12 of 17


that's nice! some resort in interesting places!

 

if you can find a colaborator in korea i'm sure you'd find a few others... i seem to remember from back when i lived there (15 years ago) there where way more than that including a lot of very small hills. unfortunalty i couldn't help you find them.

post #13 of 17
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if you can find a collaborator in korea i'm sure you'd find a few others... i seem to remember from back when i lived there (15 years ago) there where way more than that including a lot of very small hills. unfortunately i couldn't help you find them.

I generally drew the line at 1,000 vertical feet in most countries, and 400-500 vertical meters in the Alps.  We pinned under 1,000 vertical feet only in obscure countries with very few ski areas and in North America, where we tried to be more comprehensive. Korea has enough places with 1,000+ that I was not tempted to search out many of the smaller places.

post #14 of 17
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Yes it includes the Dolomites and all the ski resorts like Gröden or Kronplatz
post #15 of 17
On mobile for some reason, it's taking me on a flight around the Eiffel Tower???
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

This summer, with assistance from two collaborators, I have created a Google Earth kml file with 1,884 ski resorts around the world pinned. 

 

Free download here:

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/ski-snowboard-downloads/

I don't know the exact number of the 1884 resorts that are in the Alps, but a similar 600-700 is the likely number.  The Alps were the most time consuming part of this project. My objective was to put the pin in actual ski terrain (vs. at town or resort level), and when the terrain is far above tree line it can take some time to find. Marmota's map has the attractive feature of outlining the ski terrain, so it's easy to see the scale of the ski area and what's interconnected.   My pins will make it easy to see nearby lifts, trail cuts, but you need to explore around a bit, perhaps with the aid of an online trail map to determine the overall scale of a resort. For vast complexes I put in multiple pins to aid this process.

 

The interactive features of Google Earth provide some advantages over a conventional flat map in getting the feel for a ski resort.

1) The exact altitude of your mouse pointer is shown at the bottom of the map.  By moving it from top to bottom of lifts and trails, you can learn the altitude range of selected sectors of a resort as well as the overall published stats. 

2) Tilting the map to a more 3-D view shows you steepness/flatness of topography. 

3) Tilting the map to 3-D view and noting the compass at upper right in Google Earth shows you the direction of exposure of ski slopes.  This is particularly useful in the Alps, where resorts are so far flung that a 2-dimensional trail map is often used to represent multiple exposures so very difficult to figure our on your own any other way.

 

I sent Dustyfog a copy of this map while in development this summer. 


Hey Tony,

actually, 636 is the number of resorts with more than five kilometers of slopes. If you would count all "resorts", which may consist out of one lift only, then the number in the alps would be twice as high. 

All the data is from the platform ski resort: http://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/europe/. We met them a couple times, these guys are crazy about data and really crack it.

Concerning our mapping, we had to map all resorts again because we didn't want spots but wanted to show the areas of the resorts. This data didn't exist anywhere. So we had to create it ourselves. 

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We used http://www.skiresort.info as a starting point for most countries outside North America.  For the Alps and some other places I had first used the index of the book Where to Ski and Snowboard, but http://www.skiresort.info is more comprehensive, has more data and usually links to trail maps.  The latter were often necessary to help locate ski terrain accurately on Google Earth.  http://www.skiresort.info lists vertical and trail mileage up front, so it was easy to see whether an area made our cutoff criteria. Overall http://www.skiresort.info is a great resource.

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actually, 636 is the number of resorts with more than five kilometers of slopes

Our cutoff of ~400 meters vertical yielded a similar number of resorts.

 

http://www.skiresort.info has maps with pins too, but of course they are flat maps with no topographic detail.   The key advantage of Google Earth is the ability to rotate and tilt the topography to view altitude, exposure and steepness of ski terrain.

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