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post #271 of 867
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Wow.

Who gets Phil's license plate now?

I want to add my thanks to Phil and Trish for all they've done.  I look forward to skiing with them.

At least now people can complain a bit less about Phil's alleged conflicts of interest whenever he recommends a ski.

Wow. Great question!
post #272 of 867
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The levels of participation, civility and discourse are all higher now than at many points in the past. I appreciate all who made that happen through time.

While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet. People in general are way more savvy about "netiquette" than in the past. Partly because of people using social media. Most people handle themselves online much better these days. I have seen the same thing on my fishing forum, which has been around (on and off) since 2001.
post #273 of 867
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

It takes years for a site to get to this stage. Why would you disrupt things by starting a new site? Nothing has changed other than badges. Trek and Phil are still here, and now they will have more time to do the fun stuff on the site instead of dealing with paperwork and "responsibility". That'll be someone else's headache. They are still the same people they were last week. They didn't forget everything they know.

Hmm just thinking out loud. So if P&T make a living out of the industry and in part from here and then are told we aren't going to pay you anymore for your expertise and draw to the site, and you now need to make up for that loss of income, would you stick around and continue to provide content for free that you were once paid for or would you seek out a new means of income with the skills and assets you have? I'm not saying they are going to start a new site but it's a bit naive to think they are now going to turn around and provide revenue for mtn news for free. Who knows but my guess is that license plate won't read "Epic" anymore. Maybe a shop or manufacturer will pick them up to promote their services on line?
post #274 of 867
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The levels of participation, civility and discourse are all higher now than at many points in the past. I appreciate all who made that happen through time.

While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet. People in general are way more savvy about "netiquette" than in the past. Partly because of people using social media. Most people handle themselves online much better these days. I have seen the same thing on my fishing forum, which has been around (on and off) since 2001.


That's true, too.  Pretty refreshing.

post #275 of 867
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The tone is more civil than it was without seeming stifled.

 

That's certainly one of the things that made me sign up and start participating last year. When you search for topics online, frequently EpicSki and TGR both come up in results. Reading both on a given topic can be pretty interesting, but I wound up actually wanting to participate here.

post #276 of 867
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The levels of participation, civility and discourse are all higher now than at many points in the past. I appreciate all who made that happen through time.

While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet. People in general are way more savvy about "netiquette" than in the past. Partly because of people using social media. Most people handle themselves online much better these days. I have seen the same thing on my fishing forum, which has been around (on and off) since 2001.

 

This certainly explains why TGR is such a pleasant read :rolleyes

post #277 of 867
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The levels of participation, civility and discourse are all higher now than at many points in the past. I appreciate all who made that happen through time.

While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet. People in general are way more savvy about "netiquette" than in the past. Partly because of people using social media. Most people handle themselves online much better these days. I have seen the same thing on my fishing forum, which has been around (on and off) since 2001.

 

This certainly explains why TGR is such a pleasant read :rolleyes


That's a testosterone issue, I think.

post #278 of 867
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That's a testosterone issue, I think.

Nah - everything that isn't stoke has a heavy dose of irony. It's just TGR is memetastic.

post #279 of 867
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While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet.

 

Maybe.  Skiing is not an inexpensive fancy -- and it's also a more friendly one.  A forum I check in on from time to time that's dedicated to a dog breed I own is a lot rougher -- much more the walk-on-eggshells-when-you-post sort of environment.  I don't think the civility here reflects "management" so much as it does the people this forum attracts.

post #280 of 867
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This certainly explains why TGR is such a pleasant read :rolleyes


Actaully TGR is WAY better than it once was. It's all relative.

post #281 of 867
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While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet.

 

Maybe.  Skiing is not an inexpensive fancy -- and it's also a more friendly one.  A forum I check in on from time to time that's dedicated to a dog breed I own is a lot rougher -- much more the walk-on-eggshells-when-you-post sort of environment.  I don't think the civility here reflects "management" so much as it does the people this forum attracts.


Wow, really? A dog forum? A nasty dog forum? Gosh, you live and learn.

 

Mouse-breeding is a thing, too.  You wonder how a mouse-breeding forum would be.

 

It shows you how ridiculous overheating on pastimes can be.

 

[edit for plural]

post #282 of 867
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I think you need some snow to use those enforcers

Then where you gonna tell everyone how much you enjoyed them, ......

Right here where you learned about them

Cause those skis are not TGR

I dunno, starting to wonder if this site is still worthy of the Enforcer.  Time will tell I guess.

post #283 of 867
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Wow, really? A dog forum? A nasty dog forum? Gosh, you live and learn.

 

 

 

Omigosh, you have no idea!  Remember, show dogs are sometimes poisoned by their competitors! 

 

This guy's breeding junk.  That guy's making false claims about his line.  You have no idea what you're talking about when you suggest feeding your dogs with xxxx  supplements is the best way to enhance vigor.  What do you mean Bick Benedict was the greatest breeder in the history of our breed, you ignorant slut?  Dog thieves entered my yard last week and I went to their home with an AK-47 and got them back (that's a true example, btw).    Everyone knows the Sparky x Beulah blood is the best strain on the ground right now, and anyone who doesn't know this is a backyard breeder.

 

LOL.  And so on.

post #284 of 867
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Omigosh, you have no idea!  Remember, show dogs are sometimes poisoned by their competitors! 

 

This guy's breeding junk.  That guy's making false claims about his line.  You have no idea what you're talking about when you suggest feeding your dogs with xxxx  supplements is the best way to enhance vigor.  What do you mean Bick Benedict was the greatest breeder in the history of our breed, you ignorant slut?  Dog thieves entered my yard last week and I went to their home with an AK-47 and got them back (that's a true example, btw).    Everyone knows the Sparky x Beulah blood is the best strain on the ground right now, and anyone who doesn't know this is a backyard breeder.

 

LOL.  And so on.

 

 

I rest my case.

post #285 of 867

LOL.  He went after her like she's made out of ham!!

post #286 of 867
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Originally Posted by Blue Streak View Post
 

Here's to Phil and Trish starting their own forum.


How about just...

 

Here's to Phil and Trish.

 

Thanks to both of you.

post #287 of 867
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Actaully TGR is WAY better than it once was. It's all relative.

 

Maybe. OTOH, I notice your name appears to be Matt... Ever notice there are virtually no long term female posters there? Any wonder why? The place is a treasure trove of info. But it still has real "issues". 

post #288 of 867
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Actaully TGR is WAY better than it once was. It's all relative.

 

Maybe. OTOH, I notice your name appears to be Matt... Ever notice there are virtually no long term female posters there? Any wonder why? The place is a treasure trove of info. But it still has real "issues". 

 

Way off topic, but I spent a little time there last season, and it was not a comfortable experience. Then the admins posted asking if maybe they should have a women's-only forum, basically for the pure intent of keeping the crap relegated to one little corner. I thought this totally missed the point, even aside from the fact that I generally just go to the "all new posts" URL. But yeah, my skin isn't thick enough to hang out there. It didn't help that for a while, Tapatalk showed me a "humorous" photo of a morbidly obese woman in a bikini every time I logged in, because that was in a trending thread. BLECH. Browsing TGR exposes me to the bare fact that there are real people who are incredibly misogynistic and homophobic, and hanging out there alternately depresses and angers me. There's not enough useful info there to be worth bathing in slime. Bummer, because their avy safety discussions in particular are a big draw for me.

post #289 of 867
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Originally Posted by MattL View Post


While management does have some impact on that, much of the relevant civility is due to the maturing of people in regard to using the Internet. People in general are way more savvy about "netiquette" than in the past. Partly because of people using social media. Most people handle themselves online much better these days. I have seen the same thing on my fishing forum, which has been around (on and off) since 2001.

 

I agree that the rules of Internet engagement have evolved generally. However, the improvements here involve much more than that. Back in the day what you got away with often reduced to how big a  cheering section you could fire up, or whether or not one of the owners liked you more than average. There were some pretty egregious sexist, racist, etc. things said and done. There were people you had to defer to more than others simply because the powers that were thought it should be so. There was the rather real Internet psycho stalker (with a the aforementioned dash of sexism, racism, etc. ) - now banned here. If you want to waste a chunk of your life, you could likely still find remnants of that stuff... Much better now IMO.

 

The advent of the moderation team and sensible rules brought a great deal of balance. They have generally  handled things with fairness and discretion.  Often pretty much unseen by most of us.   I initially fancied the idea of community self-moderation - and opposed what I saw as heavy handed rules.  I have to admit happily that I was way, way wrong. 

 

So while it is a bit of drift (expansion?) from the thread title, I just want to reiterate that I appreciate the efforts of *all* who have shaped this into an even better and more civil resource over the years.

post #290 of 867
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Way off topic, but I spent a little time there last season, and it was not a comfortable experience. Then the admins posted asking if maybe they should have a women's-only forum, basically for the pure intent of keeping the crap relegated to one little corner. I thought this totally missed the point, even aside from the fact that I generally just go to the "all new posts" URL. But yeah, my skin isn't thick enough to hang out there. It didn't help that for a while, Tapatalk showed me a "humorous" photo of a morbidly obese woman in a bikini every time I logged in, because that was in a trending thread. BLECH. Browsing TGR exposes me to the bare fact that there are real people who are incredibly misogynistic and homophobic, and hanging out there alternately depresses and angers me. There's not enough useful info there to be worth bathing in slime. Bummer, because their avy safety discussions in particular are a big draw for me.

 

You have to find the little pockets within that forum and ignore much of the rest, although tech talk can be good.  For example, I mostly just participate in the Tahoe seasonal thread and that's sort of a sub-community in itself and is surprisingly civil for the most part, probably because most people know others in real life.  Same deal for Colorado, Jackson, etc.

post #291 of 867
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I agree that the rules of Internet engagement have evolved generally. However, the improvements here involve much more than that. Back in the day what you got away with often reduced to how big a  cheering section you could fire up, or whether or not one of the owners liked you more than average. There were some pretty egregious sexist, racist, etc. things said and done. There were people you had to defer to more than others simply because the powers that were thought it should be so. There was the rather real Internet psycho stalker (with a the aforementioned dash of sexism, racism, etc. ) - now banned here. If you want to waste a chunk of your life, you could likely still find remnants of that stuff... Much better now IMO.

 

The advent of the moderation team and sensible rules brought a great deal of balance. They have generally  handled things with fairness and discretion.  Often pretty much unseen by most of us.   I initially fancied the idea of community self-moderation - and opposed what I saw as heavy handed rules.  I have to admit happily that I was way, way wrong. 

 

So while it is a bit of drift (expansion?) from the thread title, I just want to reiterate that I appreciate the efforts of *all* who have shaped this into an even better and more civil resource over the years.

 

 

Agreed. I didn't mean to undermine their (all Admins) efforts. Especially since I was an inside adviser at that time and saw the efforts first hand.


Edited by MattL - 10/28/15 at 9:23am
post #292 of 867
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
 


How about just...

 

Here's to Phil and Trish.

 

Thanks to both of you.

Thumbs Up

post #293 of 867
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Way off topic, but I spent a little time there last season, and it was not a comfortable experience. Then the admins posted asking if maybe they should have a women's-only forum, basically for the pure intent of keeping the crap relegated to one little corner. I thought this totally missed the point, even aside from the fact that I generally just go to the "all new posts" URL. But yeah, my skin isn't thick enough to hang out there. It didn't help that for a while, Tapatalk showed me a "humorous" photo of a morbidly obese woman in a bikini every time I logged in, because that was in a trending thread. BLECH. Browsing TGR exposes me to the bare fact that there are real people who are incredibly misogynistic and homophobic, and hanging out there alternately depresses and angers me. There's not enough useful info there to be worth bathing in slime. Bummer, because their avy safety discussions in particular are a big draw for me.

 

You have to find the little pockets within that forum and ignore much of the rest, although tech talk can be good.  For example, I mostly just participate in the Tahoe seasonal thread and that's sort of a sub-community in itself and is surprisingly civil for the most part, probably because most people know others in real life.  Same deal for Colorado, Jackson, etc.

 

That's the thing - I don't have to. And I don't want to reward TGR for allowing that sort of behavior. I understand that some people feel like it's the last bastion of being able to "say what you really mean" and "not be PC" and "we were all thinking it" - but I don't have to support it.

post #294 of 867
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You have to find the little pockets within that forum and ignore much of the rest, although tech talk can be good.  For example, I mostly just participate in the Tahoe seasonal thread and that's sort of a sub-community in itself and is surprisingly civil for the most part, probably because most people know others in real life.  Same deal for Colorado, Jackson, etc.

 

^^ I agree with this. I lurk and sometimes post on the TGR Southern Interior BC thread and there is a least one regular long time female poster. I'm also occasionally lurking on the Northern Interior BC thread and find it is quite civil and welcoming to newbies.

post #295 of 867
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Maybe. OTOH, I notice your name appears to be Matt... Ever notice there are virtually no long term female posters there? Any wonder why? The place is a treasure trove of info. But it still has real "issues". 

TGR has a "dick-wagging" problem.  Too much bravado too much cyber-bullying. too much "I'm so much better than you".  there is great info though for certain needs that you can't get here.  I actually get along OK there but I don't have the inclination. 

post #296 of 867
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TGR has a "dick-wagging" problem.  Too much bravado too much cyber-bullying. too much "I'm so much better than you".  there is great info though for certain needs that you can't get here.  I actually get along OK there but I don't have the inclination. 

 

 

I always assumed that stuff was all tongue in cheek. I still think it is. Definitely over the top...but still.

post #297 of 867
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
 

 

Maybe. OTOH, I notice your name appears to be Matt... Ever notice there are virtually no long term female posters there? Any wonder why? The place is a treasure trove of info. But it still has real "issues". 

TGR has a "dick-wagging" problem.  Too much bravado too much cyber-bullying. too much "I'm so much better than you".  there is great info though for certain needs that you can't get here.  I actually get along OK there but I don't have the inclination. 

 

Oh, I *can*. I did tolerate this sort of behavior for years. But I guess my tolerance for it got all worn down by being in a full-time raiding guild in my early twenties. I've heard enough of that crap to last a lifetime, and I don't enjoy being either mocked for objecting or praised/protected because I'm an endangered species. Pass.

post #298 of 867
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TGR has a "dick-wagging" problem.  Too much bravado too much cyber-bullying. too much "I'm so much better than you".  there is great info though for certain needs that you can't get here.  I actually get along OK there but I don't have the inclination. 

 

I suspect it's an average-age difference, here versus there.  There are plenty of 22 year olds too cool to care that class is more than putting a napkin in your lap in a fine restaurant.

post #299 of 867
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It takes years for a site to get to this stage. Why would you disrupt things by starting a new site? Nothing has changed other than badges. Trek and Phil are still here, and now they will have more time to do the fun stuff on the site instead of dealing with paperwork and "responsibility". That'll be someone else's headache. They are still the same people they were last week. They didn't forget everything they know.

Hmm just thinking out loud. So if P&T make a living out of the industry and in part from here and then are told we aren't going to pay you anymore for your expertise and draw to the site, and you now need to make up for that loss of income, would you stick around and continue to provide content for free that you were once paid for or would you seek out a new means of income with the skills and assets you have? I'm not saying they are going to start a new site but it's a bit naive to think they are now going to turn around and provide revenue for mtn news for free. Who knows but my guess is that license plate won't read "Epic" anymore. Maybe a shop or manufacturer will pick them up to promote their services on line?

I'm sure they will find a new source of income, but it doesn't have to be typing in a ski forum. Maybe Trish will be starting a business like Phil, interacting directly with people as they ski, and not buried indoors. The point is, they can come here recreationally, not worry about being politically correct or even handed and fair, and just say what they want, whatever.

I envision Trish being someone like Jeannie Thoren, a feature at ski programs, or something like that. Point is, they actually can ski and they don't have to sit in a chair to have an impact.
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I suspect it's an average-age difference, here versus there.  There are plenty of 22 year olds too cool to care that class is more than putting a napkin in your lap in a fine restaurant.

i think you would be surprised  

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