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Elan Ampibio 16 ti2 Fusion and Fischer Ranger 90tipost #1 of 810/25/15 at 6:08pmThread StarterAny thoughts and on snow experiences with these skis?post #2 of 811/25/15 at 7:13pmThread Starterpost #3 of 812/17/15 at 8:00pmThread Starter
OK, I will try this again ...
Two skis, especially Elan Amphibio 16ti that I would really like to try this season. Question for retailers out there - do you even have this ski in NA market ?
Or ... is this a sign that Elan is ready to exit NA market given the fact that their most advanced ski is not even featured in this market ? Or Amphibio technology turned out to be a failure in NA market ? Many questions - few answers.post #4 of 812/18/15 at 5:15pm
These skis are entirely different animals. The Elan Amphibio 16ti is an excellent hard snow carver, groomer zoomer. This ski rips. Similar to the Fischer Progressor F19, Head iSupershape Rally, Rossignol Pursuit 800. This ski was brought in to North America this season by the Elan Distributor (Alpina). The Elan Amphibio design skis are excellent and work as advertised, very smooth, easy, yet high performance. Elan is just not widely carried by North American retailers.
Also, because the Amphibio design skis are designated right and left skis, and are kind of thought of as "gimicky". Amphibio works, and the skis are great,but they haven't been embraced by North American consumers. Seems like simple, clean, straight forward design, always wins out with Americans. The Euro's are kind of slow to understand this. Elan makes great skis, but needs to simplify it for Americans.
The Fischer Ranger 90ti is a narrow(er) soft snow, off-piste oriented, all-mountain ski. Targeted at intermediates or lighter weight experts. Very lightweight and has a speed limit. I really like the Ranger 98ti and 108Ti, but the narrowest Ranger (90ti) is pretty vanilla.
Hope that this will help.post #5 of 812/18/15 at 8:58pmElan suffers from the old business adage if being too small to be big and too big to be small.
They make great skis, packed with technology and innovation. I have three pairs and wouldn't really consider another company.post #6 of 812/19/15 at 10:56amQuote:
They also suffer from the fact that they have sold a lot of rental fleets in proportion to their regular retail sales. This gives them kind of a bottom shelf image with Joe Public, imo. They would do well to come out with a new brand for the higher end market in the US. Like Nissan has done with Infiniti, etc.post #7 of 812/19/15 at 2:50pm
The other problems are
a) waist segment 73mm waisted skis are off the radar to the NA public as being too entirely specialised
b) FUSION integrated bindings are very much not favored in NA, especially ones that cannot be canted or shimmed.
Heh. I've had over (probably way over) 20 pairs since '77 and never really expect to buy a ski from them again, not unless they come out with another market-buster like the SCX.post #8 of 812/20/15 at 8:46amIt seems that Elan is trying to come back, especially on the west coast. They finalized the sale of their company and are now privately owned instead of government owned. They were owned by the Slovenian government.
On the west coast, especially in Tahoe, Elan is very hard to find. I haven't seen any at the shops and few people have them on the slopes. If I see people on the slopes, it's mostly the old models, 888, 999 and the 1010.
I d say that there are a couple of things that influenced the lack of Elan s around, and these are not in order of importance by any means.
No advertising. This has been remedied somewhat, because I have seen ads over the last 2 years in ski magazines.
No reviews in print or online. This is getting better as well. I think this was mainly because Elan did not submit skis or had them available at the review days.
No demo days. This is a big deal in my opinion. People want to try the skis of course. They are not available at solo nor shop demos.
Gimmicky or not, they make a good ski. It s hard to switch or even let people try other brands especially when no famous pro athlete nor racer is skiing on them. Stenmark's fame is close to a half century old, so that doesn't have much relevance for most people these days.
People get locked in to brands in the US. I 've seen it with guns as well. Very opinionated a not willing to try something new. It's just how people are.
Elan s bulk of skis is still in the carving range too and the market ha been going towards 90+ in the last few years.
I'm sure the lack of snowman the slow economy hasn't helped either.
As for the 16 ti 2, I haven't skied it, but have heard great stuff. I hope to try it out soon and will report back.
I have 3 Elan s and working on a Ripstick review. Amphibio 88, SLX FIS, Ripstick . All very good skis with the SLX and Ripstick being probably my favorites.
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