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How much does my weight vs. my ability affect my ski purchase decision?

 

As an advanced intermediate who is not charging hard but rather cruising blues and black and  dancing off piste vs charging,   I am looking to upgrade from my Dynastar Sultan 94s.  I am 43 years old, 6'2 and 250 lbs.  My time is spent primarily at Mt Baker and Mission Ridge in Wa state and split between on/off piste (50/50)

 

I asked in an earlier thread about the Bonafide and had mixed opinions on whether it might be too much ski for me.  I am thinking of looking at skis slightly more playful such as the Solomon Q98, Line Supernatural 100(now 50% online) or maybe the SIn 7.

 

So, does my weight make a not so playful ski like the Bonafide "more playful" and more easily handled?   Does my weight simply overload an already more playful ski?

 

When reading that skis like the Line SUpernatural or Q98 can be better for someone of my ability than a stiffer ski, I assume they are not considering my 250lbs?

 

Any insight to help make my decision.  I realize the answer is to demo, however I only get 8-10 days per season and would rather just buy some new sticks and go have fun.

 

Appreciate any advise form the experts.

post #2 of 15

For a heavy guy it is a good idea to have a ski with some metal layers which will make the ski torsionally stiffer and thus a little more stable. I am pretty sure that the Line Supernatural 100 has metal, so at 50% off just get it. If you find that it is not for you than you can probably sell it used for near what you paid for it.

post #3 of 15

I tested the Q98 for a half day in some mixed conditions.  There is a weight limit for that ski.  I am over it (240).  The Sin 7 feels less substantial than the Q98, so I'd imagine my results would be similar or worse.  

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Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
 

I tested the Q98 for a half day in some mixed conditions.  There is a weight limit for that ski.

 

I was slightly under it (225) but didn't enjoy the experience either.

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"No Honey...it's the fat that makes you look fat."        YM

post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Sportsman16 View Post
 

How much does my weight vs. my ability affect my ski purchase decision?

 

As an advanced intermediate who is not charging hard but rather cruising blues and black and  dancing off piste vs charging,   I am looking to upgrade from my Dynastar Sultan 94s.  I am 43 years old, 6'2 and 250 lbs.  My time is spent primarily at Mt Baker and Mission Ridge in Wa state and split between on/off piste (50/50)

 

I asked in an earlier thread about the Bonafide and had mixed opinions on whether it might be too much ski for me.  I am thinking of looking at skis slightly more playful such as the Solomon Q98, Line Supernatural 100(now 50% online) or maybe the SIn 7.

 

So, does my weight make a not so playful ski like the Bonafide "more playful" and more easily handled?   Does my weight simply overload an already more playful ski?

 

When reading that skis like the Line SUpernatural or Q98 can be better for someone of my ability than a stiffer ski, I assume they are not considering my 250lbs?

 

Any insight to help make my decision.  I realize the answer is to demo, however I only get 8-10 days per season and would rather just buy some new sticks and go have fun.

 

Appreciate any advise form the experts.

 

See my signature for caveats and I've never skied any of the skis you mention, but I do have plenty of experience being heavy for my height and trying to parse out what the descriptions of a ski mean for me ... 

 

I think there's a fine line, and it depends. Yes, if a ski is considered pretty soft (not necessarily the same as playful), you will not have an optimal experience - the ski won't respond the way you need it to. It will feel - wishy washy? But on the other hand, in terms of getting a stiffer-than-average ski - no, I don't think your weight will turn it into a playful ski, not exactly. A counterpoint would be the old, traditional camber Icelantic Nomad (no longer available). It was pretty soft in terms of flex along the length, but there was a lot of torsional stiffness. Playful isn't quite right. I think that's sort of what you'll experience on a stiffer ski. Also, it matters what is forming the weight - are you pudgy, or are you muscular? And it depends on your technique. I have a friend who is shorter and (much) lighter than me, but she skis longer, stiffer skis because she's an aggressive skier with the technique (and direct fall line approach) to handle them. And are you a technical skier who really carves and uses the sidecut (ie, someone who loves the Kaestle, Stockli, or Volkl feel), or are you more of a smeary skier who likes to butter his skis across the snow? I believe - and someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes - that stiffness is more important for the former than the latter style.

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Originally Posted by yogaman View Post
 

"No Honey...it's the fat that makes you look fat."        YM

 

Note to self, don't laugh as it will get me in trouble.

post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Sportsman16 View Post
 

How much does my weight vs. my ability affect my ski purchase decision?

 

As an advanced intermediate who is not charging hard but rather cruising blues and black and  dancing off piste vs charging,   I am looking to upgrade from my Dynastar Sultan 94s.  I am 43 years old, 6'2 and 250 lbs.  My time is spent primarily at Mt Baker and Mission Ridge in Wa state and split between on/off piste (50/50)

 

I asked in an earlier thread about the Bonafide and had mixed opinions on whether it might be too much ski for me.  I am thinking of looking at skis slightly more playful such as the Solomon Q98, Line Supernatural 100(now 50% online) or maybe the SIn 7.

 

So, does my weight make a not so playful ski like the Bonafide "more playful" and more easily handled?   Does my weight simply overload an already more playful ski?

 

When reading that skis like the Line SUpernatural or Q98 can be better for someone of my ability than a stiffer ski, I assume they are not considering my 250lbs?

 

Any insight to help make my decision.  I realize the answer is to demo, however I only get 8-10 days per season and would rather just buy some new sticks and go have fun.

 

Appreciate any advise form the experts.

why not the Bonafide ?  Got metal and is a great ski.  I am probably over 200 with gear on and love this ski on and off piste.   The only time I don't use the Bones is when the snow is deep and then revert to my powder boards.   Probably the most stable predictable ski I have ever been on.  I have been skiing since the lst year they came out and just bought some 2016's for this year. 

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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
 

why not the Bonafide ?  Got metal and is a great ski.  I am probably over 200 with gear on and love this ski on and off piste.   The only time I don't use the Bones is when the snow is deep and then revert to my powder boards.   Probably the most stable predictable ski I have ever been on.  I have been skiing since the lst year they came out and just bought some 2016's for this year. 


Every time I have myself convinced the Bonafide would be a good fit, I read another review stating how the Bonafide is an expert ski and needs to be pushed and driven fast.  While I am capable of pushing hard on the groom, I am more cautious off piste.  Sometime I enjoy just relaxed cruising.  This makes me think of going for a slight less demanding ski.  The more I read about the Line Supernatural 100 makes me think it might be a better fit for my style and abilities.  Just not sure if my weight "tames" the Bonafide to make it a great fit.  Appreciate the replies.

post #10 of 15
Some advice, besides you size and ability mention what skis you like and have skied. Gives a reference as to what could be suggested. Otherwise listen to those that see themselves similar to what you've already provide and dive in.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

why not the Bonafide ?  Got metal and is a great ski.  I am probably over 200 with gear on and love this ski on and off piste.   The only time I don't use the Bones is when the snow is deep and then revert to my powder boards.   Probably the most stable predictable ski I have ever been on.  I have been skiing since the lst year they came out and just bought some 2016's for this year. 

I also say get the Bonafide, it's a great ski.
Like you, I'm an advanced intermediate, 2" shorter at 6', but 40lb heavier.
This spring I tested the new rockered Mantra and loved it! Didn't buy it as I was unsure about the length. I tested the Mantra in 184cm and, though very torsionally stiff and stable on their edges, if I got them running flat on their bases, they were noticeably less stable than my Dynastar Speed Corse Pro 184. Probably due to the rocker which runs the length of the ski. I wanted to test the 191 Mantra.

Recently been to a ski test and tried a lot of skis. The Mantra and the Bonafide (for me, at my weight) were the best of the lot.
Much more stable and dump than anything else on test. Next to them, everything felt just too soft.

I ended up buying the Bonafide, thought it was the better ski.
So I guess that for us superheavyweights, stiffer skis just work better!

Another point to consider is that, hopefully, your skiing will improve. You won't stay at your present level forever, so you'd want to pick a ski that'll last you a few seasons, instead of having to change it again next season. At your weight, and with a bit more skill, you'll be overpowering a lot of skis.
post #12 of 15

16, I don't think the Bonafide is only and expert ski.  The ski loves speed on the groomers and is so trusting and damp that you will also love its speed and predictability.  I ski approx. 80% off piste and usually in Inland PNW variable conditions and love the ski.  For what it is worth I have never liked Line skis, just don't like the way they ski.  And, hard charging expert? Not at 73yrs I'm not but love cruising through the trees, powder on the side,  and those days up here where there is 1-3 inches of dust on crust, I am on my Bonafides.  If it is 5-6 in. or more on a soft base then I get on my powder skis - new Praxis Protest's this year.   If you like cruising the groomers and off piste when conditions allow then I  would certainly rec. the Blizzards .

 

Heres my new ones  180 ready to go just add snow.  Also a pic of where I use them.

 

 

 

 

 

Have a great winter.  Let us know what you choose and give us a report after you have hit the slopes.

post #13 of 15
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 Any insight to help make my decision.  I realize the answer is to demo, however I only get 8-10 days per season and would rather just buy some new sticks and go have fun.

Nothing wrong with finding a demo shop on the hill that will let you change skis during the day for one day's charge--that is still fun.  Look what Pete said..."For what it is worth I have never liked Line skis, just don't like the way they ski."  This is all about Pete.  Line makes good skis with lots of happy skiers on them, but they aren't right for Pete.  Your choice of skis is all about you.  Nobody has any way of knowing if the Bonafide skis will be worth your money until you try them and others.  Your choice of skis is all about you.  I've tried as many as six brands of skis in a day, all suitable for that day's snow and my style and ability, and the difference was huge.  Some highly regarded skis didn't work well for me at all.  Others were great.  You have no way of knowing until you demo.

 

And, for 8 to 10 days a year, do some calculations to see if renting suitable skis for the day's snow is a better deal than buying, air luggage charge, lugging them around, and all the rest.  Renting is probably a better deal.

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by SkiOnSnowflakes View Post

I ended up buying the Bonafide, thought it was the better ski.
So I guess that for us superheavyweights, stiffer skis just work better!

Another point to consider is that, hopefully, your skiing will improve. You won't stay at your present level forever, so you'd want to pick a ski that'll last you a few seasons, instead of having to change it again next season. At your weight, and with a bit more skill, you'll be overpowering a lot of skis.

 

I'm 220 lbs, about 6ft, a (hopefully) advancing intermediate, and have found that skis labeled "Advanced/Expert" work just fine, though I haven't tried the Bonafide in particular. 

 

The extra heft doesn't seem to remove the need to ski centered, though.   As long as you can tell when you're getting too far back and correct, that shouldn't be a problem.  But even a heavier beginner on an expert ski could have real difficulties (I did...).

 

Disclaimer:  not an expert, don't work in a store.  But I do have several years' experience trying out different skis and seeing what works at 210 - 220 lbs with different levels of expertise.  Your mileage may still vary.

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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

Nothing wrong with finding a demo shop on the hill that will let you change skis during the day for one day's charge--that is still fun.  Look what Pete said..."For what it is worth I have never liked Line skis, just don't like the way they ski."  This is all about Pete.  Line makes good skis with lots of happy skiers on them, but they aren't right for Pete.  Your choice of skis is all about you.  Nobody has any way of knowing if the Bonafide skis will be worth your money until you try them and others.  Your choice of skis is all about you.  I've tried as many as six brands of skis in a day, all suitable for that day's snow and my style and ability, and the difference was huge.  Some highly regarded skis didn't work well for me at all.  Others were great.  You have no way of knowing until you demo.

 

And, for 8 to 10 days a year, do some calculations to see if renting suitable skis for the day's snow is a better deal than buying, air luggage charge, lugging them around, and all the rest.  Renting is probably a better deal.

 

Right on the money.  Most ski areas have a demo program where you can demo skis all day.  Up here only Schweitzer has a really good lineup of ski brands but all the areas have some demo's. The best demo program I have seen is at Mammoth Mt.  SSG is very correct on my dishing Line skis, they don't work for me but they might for you.  One of my ski buds skis Line skis and loves them and he is a very good expert.  Don't forget if you do get to pick a ski by demoing, once you narrow it down to one ski attempt to ski in different lengths if you can.

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