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post #1 of 6
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maybe is repeated in the forum but I´ve searched and I have not found it. There is a new clothing brand called Stellar equipment that looks top quality and at a very good price and with very good design.

 

http://www.stellarequipment.com/

 

They use Dermizax NX for the shells, the same used by Bergans (best membrane avaible in the market looking for the numbers), 1000fp down in their warmest midlayer,.. Top quality fabrics.

 

 

The problem is that they don´t ship outside Sweeden. I have emailed them but there is no possibilities at the moment to ship to other countries...

 

 

I need a new shell jacket and pants and I wanted Dermizax NX but due to their shipping policies maybe I will go to Bergans...

post #2 of 6

Check out https://trewgear.com/

 

They use Dermizax NX as well.  Their cuts tend a little jibby and some of their colorways are a little whacky, but otherwise they are nicely made and not too expensive because of the direct to consumer model they use.

post #3 of 6
Uh, the direct comparisons I've seen - try Verber.com, for instance - don't show an advantage for Dermizax. In fact, it comes in the middle of the pack. Not saying it's significantly worse than eVent or Gore Tex or some others, just not sure it's the mythical game changer that justifies extra $$ for a premium brand.

What I pay extra for is durability, details, quality control. So if that's why Bergan, all good. But IMO the Great Membrane Race is less than meets the eye,
post #4 of 6

A membrane on its own (that's where possibly the number apply) is never sold or even used. It's always the combination of the membrane and at least the outer layer that determines the performance. SO, to state that Dermizax is better or worse than Gore Tex, for example, is saying nothing, really.

 

You can compare two shell jackets, of course (one with a 3 layer Dermizax construction and one with a 3 layer Gore Tes construction, for example). But than fit, durability and a bunch of other stuff comes into play as well. For me, at least.

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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

A membrane on its own (that's where possibly the number apply) is never sold or even used. It's always the combination of the membrane and at least the outer layer that determines the performance. SO, to state that Dermizax is better or worse than Gore Tex, for example, is saying nothing, really.

 

Hmmm. Following your argument to its conclusion, we can never compare anything made of different components, because we'll always find something that doesn't match. Notice also you are assuming that the membrane itself is dependent on other components, but don't provide evidence. That would be useful. I'd guess they have some impact, but hard to say if it's a bunch or a bit. 

 

In the absence of evidence the whole enchilada is casually interdependent, the best solution is to try to isolate the relevant variable (the membrane) and control for all the others. So we compare the membranes under precisely the same treatments, sans outer layer coatings and numbers of layers and so on because they represent other variables.

 

If we're asking which parka is best, then very different question. Personally, I think it's a better, much harder to answer question, but it's not what the OP - or you - keep talking about when you bring up Gore Tex and Dermizax and so on. :dunno 

post #6 of 6

I'm not saying that the membrane itself cannot be tested or compared to other membranes (in fact: it is - hence the numbers). I am merely saying that one cannot buy just the membrane. There is always at least an outer layer attached. And yes, that also plays into the experience when wearing and using it. But when that has the same properties as the outer layer of the other product you're comparing it too, and it is treated the same, you can compare the two products. So that conrolyou talk about, must be considered. That's what I am saying and - guess what - that's what you are saying as well.


Edited by Cheizz - 10/24/16 at 8:37am
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