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post #1 of 12
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Hello,

I have been XCD skiing the service roads to the top and around Wachusett for years.  Does anyone know if there is a stated rule prohibiting resort trail usage if you do not have a lift ticket?  I have searched around Wachusetts site and cannot find any details.  In the past I always assumed it would be a definite no, but considering they now allow early morning skinning it seems to be a grey area.  Anyone have any details?  Thanks.      

post #2 of 12

See http://www.ussma.org/resort-uphill-policies

 

Not an official Watchusett publication but a reliable source, and a compilation of links and summary of known "uphill" policies at many other resorts as well as Watchusett.

 

If your question is about descending on resort trails not the climb up that is not directly addressed - but what goes up must come down.

post #3 of 12
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Thanks Ts01.  Doing some more reading I am starting to believe there is no written rule as the mountain is on public DCR land.  So while they probably do not care for people skiing up the back and down the front, there is nothing they can do to stop it.  

post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by JonR View Post
 

Thanks Ts01.  Doing some more reading I am starting to believe there is no written rule as the mountain is on public DCR land.  So while they probably do not care for people skiing up the back and down the front, there is nothing they can do to stop it.  

 

Not going to pull your pass, are they?

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by JonR View Post
 

Thanks Ts01.  Doing some more reading I am starting to believe there is no written rule as the mountain is on public DCR land.  So while they probably do not care for people skiing up the back and down the front, there is nothing they can do to stop it.  

Oh yes they can!

(In more detail, it all depends upon the lease/permit terms, or rather their interpretation, which isn't at your discretion.)

 

But exactly what is your plan?

(And at what time of day?)

 

I mean, if you're going to xc up the back side on the roads, I rather doubt anyone is even going to notice you afterwards among the throngs skiing down the "resort" trails.

And then after you reach the base, no problems returning to where you started via some combination of hiking trails, snow-covered roads, highway walking, etc.

But attempting to xc up the ski trails during operational hours (especially weeknight or weekend) = you'll probably get run over even before patrol can eject you from the premises!

post #6 of 12
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Jonathan,

haha cannot imagine skiing up the front side during the day.  Per my OP I have been skiing the roads on the back side to the summit for years (North Road and Summit Road).  The plan would be a climb to the top via the service roads jump onto Ropers Road to Conifer Connection for the decent then back to the car via Balance Rock Road.  On a busy weekend I am sure you are right in that it would go unnoticed.  My only thought in posting this was to see if I was missing a clear rule against such activities.  

post #7 of 12

Jon, I've seen people skinning up the trails at Wachusett in the morning (the only time I ski there.)

 

There's one guy who does it before the trails open a lot.  I don't think they mind.  You're not using the lifts.

post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by JonR View Post
 

Jonathan,

haha cannot imagine skiing up the front side during the day.  Per my OP I have been skiing the roads on the back side to the summit for years (North Road and Summit Road).  The plan would be a climb to the top via the service roads jump onto Ropers Road to Conifer Connection for the decent then back to the car via Balance Rock Road.  On a busy weekend I am sure you are right in that it would go unnoticed.  My only thought in posting this was to see if I was missing a clear rule against such activities.  

 

Sounds like a fun tour.

And from a permission perspective, definitely falls into "don't-ask/don't-tell" of sorts, so you should be fine -- enjoy!

 

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

Jon, I've seen people skinning up the trails at Wachusett in the morning (the only time I ski there.)

 

There's one guy who does it before the trails open a lot.  I don't think they mind.  You're not using the lifts.

 

Just to clarify, yes, preoperational hours = fine.

(Quite popular too, although I might very well be the "one guy" you have in mind as I've shared a chair ride with you afterwards, since I also have a midweek pass there, although I mainly skin and/or patrol at your other ski area, Berkshire East.)

 

But once the lifts start up -- and the lift-served skiers start down -- skinning/xc'ing up the trails = bad idea.

(Although fortunately not JonR's idea.)

post #9 of 12

Hi Jon!  You are one of the people I was thinking of (yeah I know I said "one guy").  There's also a guy who XC's up and down the bottom of Ralphs and Challenger.

post #10 of 12
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Sounds like a fun tour.

And from a permission perspective, definitely falls into "don't-ask/don't-tell" of sorts, so you should be fine -- enjoy!

 

Thanks!  Seems like the perfect XCD loop where you can get some miles in and leave the skins at home.    

post #11 of 12
Jon, what gear are you using, skis,bindings, boots? I may get just a mid-week pass and look at XCD for weekend mornings.
post #12 of 12
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Jon, what gear are you using, skis,bindings, boots? I may get just a mid-week pass and look at XCD for weekend mornings.

Hey TeleCarve, I am currently using a set of Annums, Voile 3 pin cable's with 20mm risers and two boot options.  Scarpa T4's and I just snagged a pair of Fischer BCX 675's.  Been using this setup for a little over a year and I am pretty happy with it.  I snuck into a few resorts last winter for a few quick turns and I was amazed that with the T4's that I could make parallel turns and did not even need the cables.  

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