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post #1 of 29
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I have a ski that looks like this but is white and says "Equipe Slalom" on it but no other markings.  anyone know how old it is and anything about it?

 

thanks

post #2 of 29
Roughly 1979-1981'ish I think.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks!

Was this their high end consumer race ski at the time? In between the black/orange ST comp and the primer gray ST comp? Or was it totally different. It says "equipe slalom" so would be surprised if it was a recreational ski, though they did use that top sheet design for several rec skis

Thx
post #4 of 29

Check where it was made.  If it was made in Switzerland, then it was made in Authier's factory, which generally had Equipe or Suisse Equipe on them.  Additionally, the Swiss Rossis were generally white.  I hope this helps.

post #5 of 29
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Thanks!

Was this their high end consumer race ski at the time? In between the black/orange ST comp and the primer gray ST comp? Or was it totally different. It says "equipe slalom" so would be surprised if it was a recreational ski, though they did use that top sheet design for several rec skis

Thx

The STS was the Recreational Slalom with similar boring err..subdued graphics. 

post #6 of 29
What Phil sed.
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 

it doesn't say STS.  i'll have to upload a picture but it's just pure metallic white with the lettering and says Equipe Slalom in the usual spot, mid-front.  is this a mystery ski?!

 

made in France.

 

 

it has this binding on it, Geze 950 Racing (quite nice, actually, great condition)


Edited by JonD999 - 10/20/15 at 10:26am
post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 

ok.  here it is.  calling all Rossi super sleuths to figure out what these are.  thanks!

post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
Surprised no one knows this ski. The Bears are stumped?!

It looks like the mid range rec ski but I really don't think it is because of the team slalom markings and the high end race binding. It's pretty long, too, 203

Is there a Rossi rep that could help me research this ski?
post #10 of 29
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Surprised no one knows this ski. The Bears are stumped?!

It looks like the mid range rec ski but I really don't think it is because of the team slalom markings and the high end race binding. It's pretty long, too, 203

Is there a Rossi rep that could help me research this ski?
This might have been a dark time for me, you know, the 80's..drugs and all. I faintly remember the skis, that how unrememberable they were.
post #11 of 29

Why don't you call Jim and ask him?

post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by JonD999 View Post

Surprised no one knows this ski. The Bears are stumped?!

It looks like the mid range rec ski but I really don't think it is because of the team slalom markings and the high end race binding. It's pretty long, too, 203

Is there a Rossi rep that could help me research this ski?


Looks like the Rossi F5 from the late 1970's that was a foam core SL ski..  I think it did come a Swiss factory and some years it was white and some years it was silver.  The shop I worked in did not stock a lot of them because they had a very high price.  I think it was one of the Rossi boutique skis. 

post #13 of 29
Looks like the 1977-78 Rossi 223cm DH which was Silver & Blue. Bill Johnson had a pair that I ended up with.
post #14 of 29
Were these before or after these...



I am thinking before, just after they wen to the FP then FP VAS then 4S, right? I think that is why I don't recall them. But the Geze 960's bindings were later, I can tell by the heel. I am baffled. I hope some Rossi guys can chime in..
post #15 of 29
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Looks like the 1977-78 Rossi 223cm DH which was Silver & Blue. Bill Johnson had a pair that I ended up with.

You mean like these?

 

 

These were all issued to me in 1977 for the '77-'78 season. The DHs originally had M4-15s and Rotamat heels just like the STs and ROCs.

post #16 of 29
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Were these before or after these...



I am thinking before, just after they wen to the FP then FP VAS then 4S, right? I think that is why I don't recall them. But the Geze 960's bindings were later, I can tell by the heel. I am baffled. I hope some Rossi guys can chime in..

 

If that is an SM, the ex had a pair of those in '78.

post #17 of 29
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Check where it was made.  If it was made in Switzerland, then it was made in Authier's factory, which generally had Equipe or Suisse Equipe on them.  Additionally, the Swiss Rossis were generally white.  I hope this helps.

 

Yes, Swiss, that is the factory that also made Authier and are currently making Stocklis out of, I have just been told. And as @MastersRacer said, "late 70's". This is confirmed by a retired Rossignol rep. 

post #18 of 29

If it really is a foam core they probably won't ski that well at this age.  Foam cores tend to disintegrate.. like old foam rubber.  And, that happens due to age alone.  Even if they were new in the plastic the cores might be shot.  They will probably still be skiable, but edge hold under pressure might be pretty floppy and chattery compared to their late 70s glory.

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys for the info. Sounds like late 70s specialty ski in between the orange and black ST Comp and the primer gray era. What's weird is the Geze 950 binding I think is from 83 or 84 based on some old ads I found. Maybe replacement? Also, ski says made in France but maybe that's a loose term

Thanks again. Kind of a cool looking ski, the metallic in the white doesn't really show up in the pics
post #20 of 29

Yes, this looks to me like a Swiss-built ski. From 1970 to 1994, Rossignol owned the Authier factory in Stans, where Gaston Haldemann built the spectacular hollow-core Equipe Suisse downhill skis used by Bernhard Russi, Roland Collombin and Marie-Therese Nadig at the Sapporo Olympics. This slalom ski, from the early '80s, probably has a foam core like Rossi's French-built skis of the era.

post #21 of 29
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Thanks guys for the info. Sounds like late 70s specialty ski in between the orange and black ST Comp and the primer gray era. What's weird is the Geze 950 binding I think is from 83 or 84 based on some old ads I found. Maybe replacement? Also, ski says made in France but maybe that's a loose term

Thanks again. Kind of a cool looking ski, the metallic in the white doesn't really show up in the pics

Yes, according to Rick Howell (Geze Product Manager at the time), 83-84 on the 950. I have a pair on my collection, this was the first adaptation on that heel design for them, it was also used at the same time with the SE-3. It was not uncommon to have a later binding on a ski. It could have been a replacement or even warranty. If you took it off, you might see other holes. If thats the case, I bet there are a few here that would be able to tell you what the prior binding was by just the hole pattern. Well...maybe I am being presumptuous, we had a problem telling you what year the ski was from. 

post #22 of 29
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Yes, according to Rick Howell (Geze Product Manager at the time), 83-84 on the 950. I have a pair on my collection, this was the first adaptation on that heel design for them, it was also used at the same time with the SE-3. It was not uncommon to have a later binding on a ski. It could have been a replacement or even warranty. If you took it off, you might see other holes. If thats the case, I bet there are a few here that would be able to tell you what the prior binding was by just the hole pattern. Well...maybe I am being presumptuous, we had a problem telling you what year the ski was from. 


The Gaze SE3 with its upward release capability and downward-force-compensation system was introduced in the 1981-1982 season and the 950 with its "true recentering characteristics"  for improved elastic travel in the 1982-1983 season.

post #23 of 29
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Yes, according to Rick Howell (Geze Product Manager at the time), 83-84 on the 950. I have a pair on my collection, this was the first adaptation on that heel design for them, it was also used at the same time with the SE-3. It was not uncommon to have a later binding on a ski. It could have been a replacement or even warranty. If you took it off, you might see other holes. If thats the case, I bet there are a few here that would be able to tell you what the prior binding was by just the hole pattern. Well...maybe I am being presumptuous, we had a problem telling you what year the ski was from. 


The Gaze SE3 with its upward release capability and downward-force-compensation system was introduced in the 1981-1982 season and the 950 with its "true recentering characteristics"  for improved elastic travel in the 1982-1983 season.

The SE3 was available with the 444 style toe along with the big square one like this. I just looked at the SE3 toe, I don't see any downward compensation capacity. 

post #24 of 29
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The SE3 was available with the 444 style toe along with the big square one like this. I just looked at the SE3 toe, I don't see any downward compensation capacity. 


I believe that the toe/heel combination was the "Downward-Force-Compensation System" and it was the only binding of that season that had the toe/heel design with independently adjustable backward-lean release capability.  It was ahead of its time and all the other binding manufactures. 

post #25 of 29
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The SE3 was available with the 444 style toe along with the big square one like this. I just looked at the SE3 toe, I don't see any downward compensation capacity. 


I believe that the toe/heel combination was the "Downward-Force-Compensation System" and it was the only binding of that season that had the toe/heel design with independently adjustable backward-lean release capability.  It was ahead of its time and all the other binding manufactures. 

Yes, rearward, it had 2 DIN windows. One for upward and one for lateral. has to be the heaviest 9 DIN binding ever produced. I have a couple of pairs. 

post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 

thanks.  looks like this ski.  maybe same factory/construction as you say.

 

post #27 of 29
Chances are it isn't a 223 DH ski. smile.gif
post #28 of 29

I dimly recall this ski, yep, all white. But think it may be earlier than the 80's. 

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Were these before or after these...



I am thinking before, just after they wen to the FP then FP VAS then 4S, right? I think that is why I don't recall them. But the Geze 960's bindings were later, I can tell by the heel. I am baffled. I hope some Rossi guys can chime in..


Demoed these at Banff spring of 1985, so 84-85 model, same week purchased the next Rossi iteration, which had black stripes on silver, so these and mine were FP I'm thinking. VAS was a plate on SL, two on GS, so 87 or so, I'm thinking. Bought those, also. White ski pictured earlier was decently before. How much before, hard to say because I was on Dynamics, not a Rossi guy at that point, but I think 84 is several years too late, regardless of binding. 

post #29 of 29
Will be pleasantly surprised if you get an answer on this.

I had same questions on same ski about 32 years ago.

Saw it literally at a "Fire" Sale in Rochester, NY.

There were never any ads on this ski and this ski was made around the time the gray FP Comp was out - possibly the first year of the blue FP.

I imagine it is similar to STS but again I've never seen it in an ad or on a racer's feet for SL.
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