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Trying to find some binding with hike function

post #1 of 11
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Hi guys

 

I tried to search through current threads, with not much of success, at least not that I would have much of an answer :)

I can say I have basically zero experience with this stuff, as I was all my life on race skis. But almost exactly year ago, I got pair of Rossi Soul7 as "here you have them and just go out and ski them", even though I said I surely won't like this (until then only powder experience was with race skis, and it more or less sucked). So that time, I just put some old Fischer (Tyrolia) RC4 Z16 race bindings on and ski them through last winter (with lifts up)... and started to really love them :) So now it's time to move forward and replace those race bindings with something what would allow me to go uphill without lift too. Still, skiing down is priority, so I'm not looking for some real touring binding, but basically trying to decide between Marker Duke EPF, Tyrolia AAAdrenalin 16, and Rossi XM 16 L C130. Binding should accept both alpine and AT boots, should be 16DIN, and price range, I can get them all for about same money.

As I said, I have zero experience with this, so I would appreciate any kind suggestion/personal experience why to pick one binding over the other.

 

Thanks guys!

post #2 of 11

You should consider weight, marker duke weighs a ton, like 2 lbs more than standard bindings. You might consider Marker Tour 12.

post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

Hi guys

 

I tried to search through current threads, with not much of success, at least not that I would have much of an answer :)

I can say I have basically zero experience with this stuff, as I was all my life on race skis. But almost exactly year ago, I got pair of Rossi Soul7 as "here you have them and just go out and ski them", even though I said I surely won't like this (until then only powder experience was with race skis, and it more or less sucked). So that time, I just put some old Fischer (Tyrolia) RC4 Z16 race bindings on and ski them through last winter (with lifts up)... and started to really love them :) So now it's time to move forward and replace those race bindings with something what would allow me to go uphill without lift too. Still, skiing down is priority, so I'm not looking for some real touring binding, but basically trying to decide between Marker Duke EPF, Tyrolia AAAdrenalin 16, and Rossi XM 16 L C130. Binding should accept both alpine and AT boots, should be 16DIN, and price range, I can get them all for about same money.

As I said, I have zero experience with this, so I would appreciate any kind suggestion/personal experience why to pick one binding over the other.

 

Thanks guys!

Silly question, but seriuosly asked:

 

Would a binding cranked to anything above 10 actually release before a few bones are gone?

Let alone ligaments and other soft tissues.

 

I agree that, under some conditions, loosing a ski is life threatening (or a death sentence) and to avoid a potential a knie injury ist not the highest priority.

But in all other cases what does it mean to set a binding to 12, 14, 16...?

Thanks to all.

post #4 of 11

16 DIN really just guarantees that you are spending the most amount of money for a binding possible. Being the highest end being that a manufacturer makes doesn't make it the best fit for you.

post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by mdrew9 View Post
 

16 DIN really just guarantees that you are spending the most amount of money for a binding possible. Being the highest end being that a manufacturer makes doesn't make it the best fit for you.

 

True, but there are reasons beyond running a silly high DIN to buy a high-DIN binder. High DIN clamps generally are more stoutly built, usually with metal in heel/toe. They'll last longer if you ski a lot. Of course, more stout == more weight. A trade-off when you're skiing downhill. 

 

Given the OP spent all their life on race skis, they might legitimately need a higher DIN binding than most freeskiers. Although OP -- consider whether you really do as you pay a weight penalty going up hill. Also as you may ski a good deal lower DIN if you're just free skiing soft snow rather than racing. 

 

As someone who skis/uphills on Barons, and has stolen his buddies Salomon/Atomic and Tyrolia AT clamps, I would take either of those over the Duke/Baron/Tour. They ski as well or better, have better heel-entry designs, and you don't have to step out of the clamps to switch between hike & ride. (Unlike the dukes where you must step out, flip a fiddly switch, and then re-enter your bindings.) 

post #6 of 11
The more you tour, the less you'll like the Markers - they're heavier, but maybe more important is that the tour mode slides the binding back resulting in a less than optimal pivot point. And the release to touring mechanism location kind of sucks.

I don't have any opinion about Tyrolia v. Rossi/Look. Relevant qualities to look at include the stack height (lower seems to be better) and the location of the touring pivot point (the farther back toward the toes the better).
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Mdrew9 I know they are heavy but, at least on specifications, there's not much difference between these sort of bindings. Tyrolia are some 250-300g lighter, Rossi are even few grams heavier. And considering my normal bindings are even few 100g heavier (race stock bindings are around 3.5kg/pair) , that shouldn't effect my skiing :) For going up, I know extra weight is bad, but I'm not racing, so it doesn't really matter if I'm on top of the hill 5mins later :) So weight is not really main thing here. If I would go purely for weight, I guess I would go with some Dynafite binding, but as I wrote, my main priority is still skiing, not walking mode. Sure current race bindind would do best for this, but would still like to go a bit further out and not be restricted to lift served areas only.

 

MostlyHarmless it depends on many factors, mainly on way you ski, your weight and your fitness. At least on groomers, they still released when I needed them to release, without fracturing bones or tearing ligaments (which doesn't mean my setting would work for someone else just like that). For skis in question, I have set them lower on beginning (around 10), and got some pre-release few times, so I set them back to my standard 13-14. Luckily I needed ski to get off only twice since then, and both times it went off like it should. That's why I'm looking for DIN 16 binding. PS: Can we please not turn this thread into another DIN competition thread? :)

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by jmeb View Post
 

As someone who skis/uphills on Barons, and has stolen his buddies Salomon/Atomic and Tyrolia AT clamps, I would take either of those over the Duke/Baron/Tour. They ski as well or better, have better heel-entry designs, and you don't have to step out of the clamps to switch between hike & ride. (Unlike the dukes where you must step out, flip a fiddly switch, and then re-enter your bindings.) 

Cool. Thanks for this info. I know about different way of switching between walk/ski mode, and that's one thing it sounds good on Tyrolia/Rossi bindings (any bad thing with such design? ). For Salomon I have read you are not able to use AT boots with them, so considering Salomon/Atomic connection, I assume it's same for Atomic. That's why I didn't include Salomon into my selection, but if it this info is wrong, I have no problems with Salomon either :)

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

Cool. Thanks for this info. I know about different way of switching between walk/ski mode, and that's one thing it sounds good on Tyrolia/Rossi bindings (any bad thing with such design? ). For Salomon I have read you are not able to use AT boots with them, so considering Salomon/Atomic connection, I assume it's same for Atomic. That's why I didn't include Salomon into my selection, but if it this info is wrong, I have no problems with Salomon either :)

 

I believe the solly/atomics are WTR compatible, although that is not necessarily the same thing as the ISO AT compatible. Depends on what your setup is. If I'm recalling correctly they do not have the same manual height adjustment of the AFD a la Dukes/Barons. 

post #10 of 11

Here is my post copied from an earlier thread. 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142951/rossignol-soul-7-binding#post_1921655

 

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I have 180cm Soul7's with Adrenalin 13's, works pretty well for me.

Yes, you are a bit higher off the ski but the expected dead spot is not noticeable to me.  In the past I had Marker Barons (mounted on a different ski) & the dead spot was the reason I got rid of them.  For me the Adrenalins perform better, are lighter & the touring function is much more user friendly.  I also have a set-up with Fritschi Freeride Pro's.  The Fritschi's are lighter & the touring mode is super simple but they are sloppy for skiing & the stance angle takes some getting used to.  For short outside the boundary tours, the Adrenalin is the best of both worlds for me.

Others may suggest a tech binding, but then you are getting into big $'s!

The 16 DIN bindings are probably built a bit sturdier than the lower DIN's so if you have the need, that may be the way to go for you.

 

Will you be in Solden this weekend?  If so, keep us posted with some cool GS pictures :)

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks 4ster for this one. So 1:0 for Tyrolia for now :) Yes I'm leaving for Soelden on Thursday, has few things to do there on Thursday afternoon, and then I hope for some nice weather on Friday to get first few turns of the season, before real work starts on Saturday :) Even with current conditions, I don't think powder skis will see much of action there. I'm just to much of a chicken to really enjoy off piste skiing on glaciers :)

 

Jmeb with AT boots, I mean, at least at the moment Dalbello Virus, which I use for work, and will have to do fine for now, for those few more touring style trips (I feel perfectly fine in my race boots for normal skiing, even out of course).

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