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After seeing this - Rogan Joins Alpine Development Staff/US Ski Team, back in 2012, I'm interested to see what happens as they take it to the next level with the Collaboration Agreement. 

 

 

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 Olympians Steven Nyman, Alice McKennis, Stacey Cook, Andrew Weibrecht, Jackie Wiles, Jared Goldberg, David Chodounsky and Marco Sullivan, as well as members of the U.S. development team and National Training Group (NTG) have participated in spring clinics with PSIA and have identified the importance of creating a solid foundation for self-assessment and self-coaching through this program. These clinics with the PSIA Alpine Team have helped the USSA coaching staff be more effective by using simpler, more focused instruction as well as emphasizing skiing fundamentals with U.S. Ski Team athletes.
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Lucky for USSA that they waited until the new PSIA skiing model was out.  If they'd started in earnest back in 2012, they would have mistakenly taught their junior racers that balance was one of the four skills rather than a mere outcome.  That's important info for competitive participants in a balance sport!

 

As an added benefit, PSIA's multi-year reanalysis of skiing technique produced crisp instructions like "regulate the magnitude of pressure created through ski/snow interaction" telling upcoming Olympians exactly what they need to do to shave time off the clock.

 

We are blessed to reside in a country with such a deep bench of ski instruction talent for our junior, development, and national team coaches to draw upon.

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moderator note: The first post appeared first in the general skiing forum. The second post next appeared in the skiing news forum. The two threads have been merged and placed in the skiing news forum, cross linked to the general skiing forum for 2 weeks.

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PSIA and USSA have been collaborating informally on an individual level for a long time (e.g. Shawn Smith). Long time EpicSki members don't have to look to far into the archives to remember the naysayers who said that the media reports about the first steps that led to this recent announcement was just PR, that the collaboration was meaningless and would not amount to anything. This is now a train that has left the station but it would not be the Internet if the naysayers don't remind us once again that they know better. I was excited about Skills Quest last year. I'll be more excited as it becomes mainstreamed within PSIA. I don't think we've yet seen statistically significant results on the racing side, but USSA must be seeing some payoff if they are expanding and formalizing this relationship.

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PSIA and USSA have been collaborating informally on an individual level for a long time (e.g. Shawn Smith). Long time EpicSki members don't have to look to far into the archives to remember the naysayers who said that the media reports about the first steps that led to this recent announcement was just PR, that the collaboration was meaningless and would not amount to anything. This is now a train that has left the station but it would not be the Internet if the naysayers don't remind us once again that they know better. I was excited about Skills Quest last year. I'll be more excited as it becomes mainstreamed within PSIA. I don't think we've yet seen statistically significant results on the racing side, but USSA must be seeing some payoff if they are expanding and formalizing this relationship.


yeah, keep on drinking the PSIA Kool-aid Rusty...:D       the insight into this from USST sources is somewhat different ....:D 

 

Interesting snippet

 

  • Current PSIA-certified Level III alpine instructors may advance straight to USSA Level 100 testing without taking the on-snow clinic, and AASI-certified Level III snowboard instructors may advance directly to Level 200 coaching clinics.

So looks like  L100 > PSIA III.....:popcorn 

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yeah, keep on drinking the PSIA Kool-aid Rusty...biggrin.gif        the insight into this from USST sources is somewhat different ....biggrin.gif  

Interesting snippet

  • Current PSIA-certified Level III alpine instructors may advance straight to USSA Level 100 testing

     without taking the on-snow clinic, and AASI-certified Level III snowboard instructors may advance directly to Level 200 coaching clinics.



So looks like  L100 > PSIA III.....popcorn.gif  



I'm going to say I'm getting sort of tired of this. There are plenty of [####]ty skiing crappy USSA coaches out there as well, and masters racers who flat out suck. I'm not going to let them detract from the respect I have for those in USSA that work hard, ski well, and contribute to the sport. I'd hope the same courtesy might be extended to those in PSIA who do the same.
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I'm going to say I'm getting sort of tired of this. There are plenty of [####]ty skiing crappy USSA coaches out there as well, and masters racers who flat out suck. I'm not going to let them detract from the respect I have for those in USSA that work hard, ski well, and contribute to the sport. I'd hope the same courtesy might be extended to those in PSIA who do the same.


You need to move your bed over Marko so you dont get out the wrong side!   .....:)

 

As  one of the " [####]ty skiing crappy USSA coaches out there as well, and masters racers who flat out suck"  (guilty on both counts...:))  this comment was nothing to do with disrespect - they are after all 2 distinctly different disciplines.

 

it was simply pointing out that this "relationship" is not going to have USSA racers and coaches poring over the PSIA handbook as some sort of truth, no matter how much some would like to spin it that way.  Most of the benefits I suspect accrue to PSIA being able to have some association and that is the insight I received.   I am sure there are also some benefits to USSA members as well in being able to piggyback on CPE requirements.

 

Both branches share fundamentals but very different focus on outcomes (IMHO).  While you have a strong race background, this is still very much a minority position among your peers.  And yes, I do agree that even (especially??) racers do need to go back and work on fundamentals from time to time, even if we would rather be bashing plastic.;)   

 

 

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  • Current PSIA-certified Level III alpine instructors may advance straight to USSA Level 100 testing

     without taking the on-snow clinic, and AASI-certified Level III snowboard instructors may advance directly to Level 200 coaching clinics.

 

Not sure how you interpreted it but my reading was that  LIII s could take the L100 written test without doing the 2 day on snow clinic to gain a USSA qualification.  Maybe i should have added some more popcorn when i suggested this meant L100>LIII!    

 

Respect!   :)

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I only read it as you can skip the clinic as you can probably pass the test without it.
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... announcement was just PR, that the collaboration was meaningless and would not amount to anything.

 

Not to be a naysayer but, beyond the reciprocal kind words, what does this release amount to? USST athletes saying nice things about PSIA and USSA coaches reviewing and commenting on PSIA educational materials. If you're a LIII you can take a test!

 

Mind you, anything that bolsters morale among ordinary members of the PSIA is good in my book. God knows, the wretched, impoverished buggers need all the help they can get.

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Not to be a naysayer but, beyond the reciprocal kind words, what does this release amount to? USST athletes saying nice things about PSIA and USSA coaches reviewing and commenting on PSIA educational materials. If you're a LIII you can take a test!

Mind you, anything that bolsters morale among ordinary members of the PSIA is good in my book. God knows, the wretched, impoverished buggers need all the help they can get.

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All this means is the national organizations are consolidating around a single strategy for dealing with the shrinking instruction/training/coaching market.  I think PSIA hopes to get a higher profile and credibility out of it, and USSA hopes the ski schools will emphasize junior racing, which seems to be shrinking faster than the rest of the market.  Maybe that's why USSA is giving PSIA instructors an easier path to coaching certifications.

 

BK

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Is junior racing shrinking? It isn't here. The program is the largest it has ever been. 3-4 times as big as when my daughter was in it.
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

 

... announcement was just PR, that the collaboration was meaningless and would not amount to anything.

 

Not to be a naysayer but, beyond the reciprocal kind words, what does this release amount to? USST athletes saying nice things about PSIA and USSA coaches reviewing and commenting on PSIA educational materials. If you're a LIII you can take a test!

 

Mind you, anything that bolsters morale among ordinary members of the PSIA is good in my book. God knows, the wretched, impoverished buggers need all the help they can get.

Clearly some more context would be helpful. In the business world, the analysts would be asking for more "color". For the past couple years, the PSIA demo team has done week long clinics with ski teamers. Fundamentally this announcement is both groups effort to extend that kind of interaction lower into each organization. We've always had some crossover between the groups, but now there is more encouragement and attempts to make the crossover easier. PSIA is saying they like the SkillsQuest approach and think would be helpful for ski teachers. USSA says they think PSIA teaching philosophies can expand their coaches effectiveness and they think an added focus on the fundamentals defined by PSIA can help improve their athlete results. There's more but my crayon is done for today.

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What PSIA fundamentals and Level 3 exam tasks are shown in these videos of Shiffrin, Hirscher, Fenninger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck1cJrz93_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQSKVS0DsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdNUu55bop4

 

If the USSA and PSIA coaches don't get young racers started with the movements that are the foundation elements for World Cup winners, things cannot go well.

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