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@alit423:  instead of discussing all your questions in the Beginners Tip Bible thread, I thought it would be good to have a separate thread.  Hope you don't mind.  You have good questions.

 

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I just spent awhile reading all of this thread - WOW thank you!!!!!
I'm not sure my poor brain could soak in all this info but I will try smile.gif

A couple questions:
1) I come from a running/hiking background so I get most of the layering/no cotton rules. But just one more time - basically wear wicking base layers, fleece as a middle layer, waterproof shells. And then the ski boots in order goes socks, base layer, boots, mid layer, outer layer? Is that right? I thought I read that only socks should be inside the boots but I couldn't imagine that the long underwear/leggings wouldn't also have to be close to your skin and inside the boot??

2) I have a lot of fleece outerwear (Patagonia better sweater, Patagonia snap T, etc) but they are pretty heavy on their own. Should I use something that is a little thinner fleece for that middle layer or are those good choices? And if I have one of those 2n1 outer layers (like a north face that has a hard shell + liner) then do I still have to also have a fleece middle layer (because it's already included)? Or would you wear all those layers? I realize some of this could vary based on personal preference and weather, but any general tips/explanation would be helpful.

3) I also have several down/puffy jackets. I assume I would never use them for skiing cuz they would be too hot?

4) I haven't invested in much skier specific equip so this year I'm going to buy (in order of most important) socks, then gloves, then goggles I think. Should I go ahead and buy a helmet too? Or wait til I live in a place where I don't have to get on planes to get to the mountains since it looks like you can usually rent them? Then if all goes well this season, I'm thinking about asking for boots in April for my birthday to invest in! Then hold off on buying any skis til I live closer/not here like the helmet?

5) if you are going to a resort without a car what are you doing with all your personal stuff? Key, cell phone, wallet, snacks? Lockers or something? I read you don't want stuff in your front pockets but I can't imagine I want my butt to slam down onto any of those items either lol but I also would think you would want some of that stuff on your person...

6) I read on the equip rental I'm getting in CO that it includes poles. After reading some on this thread, there is a lot of info on using them, but as a beginner I don't NEED them, right? I've only been skiing one other time in NC and I don't remember anyone ever even mentioning them to me?

Ok I'm sorry for all the questions! Thank you again!!!!

My one contribution is that lessons are the best decision ever. If you have enough flexibility to go at odd times then, like me, you could end up paying for a group lesson but getting a private one biggrin.gif

Thanks again yall. I read something earlier in this thread about that first time finally going all the way down your first hill and feeling like a kid in a candy store/a high they could not describe. I couldn't agree more. I'm already hooked and can't wait to get back this year! 💙
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Question: I read on the equip rental I'm getting in CO that it includes poles. After reading some on this thread, there is a lot of info on using them, but as a beginner I don't NEED them, right? I've only been skiing one other time in NC and I don't remember anyone ever even mentioning them to me?

 

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You are correct that you don't need poles to make turns as a beginner on green runs.  But learning to hold poles in a way that doesn't get in your way is useful.  They are also handy for most people in lift lines or on flatter terrain unless they are good ice skaters and find "skating" on skis easy.

 

Here is an old thread from 2001 in Ski Instruction about poles and beginners.  If you want to have some fun, bump it up with a questions and see what what instructors have to say in 2015.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/8488/what-should-beginners-do-with-their-poles

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Question: if you are going to a resort without a car what are you doing with all your personal stuff? Key, cell phone, wallet, snacks? Lockers or something? I read you don't want stuff in your front pockets but I can't imagine I want my butt to slam down onto any of those items either lol but I also would think you would want some of that stuff on your person...

 

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Some people get jackets and ski pants that have lots of pockets and stuff everything in a pocket.  Personally, I prefer to have a small backpack (6L) when skiing at a larger ski resort.  I carry a spare pair of ski socks, sometimes spare gloves, and sunscreen.  One of my ski buddies uses a fanny pack.  I get ski pants that include zip pockets so my mini-wallet and car keys are usually in my pants.  That's because I usually stop for a hot lunch.  My jacket ends up over a chair when I get in line for food.

 

All I have in the mini-wallet is a little cash, a credit card or two, driver's license.

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Question: I haven't invested in much skier specific equip so this year I'm going to buy (in order of most important) socks, then gloves, then goggles I think. Should I go ahead and buy a helmet too? Or wait til I live in a place where I don't have to get on planes to get to the mountains since it looks like you can usually rent them? Then if all goes well this season, I'm thinking about asking for boots in April for my birthday to invest in! Then hold off on buying any skis til I live closer/not here like the helmet?

 

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Since you have been hooked . . . invest in a helmet.  You can always take it as a carry-on when flying if it doesn't fit in a suitcase.  Personally, I can never find a rental helmet that fits decently.  At $8-10 a day, doesn't take long to feel like buying a helmet makes more sense.

 

Unfortunately, it can be hard to get a helmet and goggles that fit together well without trying them out in person.  What some people do who don't live in ski country is order more than one online, then return what doesn't work out.  There are still probably some pre-season deals to be had at places like Sierra Trading Post, Evo, REI, etc.

 

Investing in ski boots bought from a good boot fitter is a great idea.  Better to buy in Colorado than in the southeast since you are likely to be visiting friends and family there in the future.

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Originally Posted by alit423 View Post
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A couple questions:
1) I come from a running/hiking background so I get most of the layering/no cotton rules. But just one more time - basically wear wicking base layers, fleece as a middle layer, waterproof shells. Sounds like you've got almost everything you need for skiing.  You'll need a fleece neck gaiter, and a helmet to keep your head warm.  You'll need ski gloves or mittens,.  Get gloves if your hands are usually warm, mitts if they are often cold.  You'll need ski pants.  You can get insulated ones, but since you already have thermal liners you might want to get shells instead.  They will be windproof and waterproof; under them you wear the liners you already own.  And then the ski boots in order goes socks, base layer, boots, mid layer, outer layer? Is that right? I thought I read that only socks should be inside the boots but I couldn't imagine that the long underwear/leggings wouldn't also have to be close to your skin and inside the boot??  Buy ski socks, the thin ones, that go up to your knees.  The knee socks are the only thing you should have inside the boot.  You can bunch up your thermal liners right at the top of your boots.  Do not stuff them inside the cuffs.  It messes up your bootfit.  

2) I have a lot of fleece outerwear (Patagonia better sweater, Patagonia snap T, etc) but they are pretty heavy on their own. Should I use something that is a little thinner fleece for that middle layer or are those good choices? And if I have one of those 2n1 outer layers (like a north face that has a hard shell + liner) then do I still have to also have a fleece middle layer (because it's already included)? Or would you wear all those layers?  Everyone is different in their tolerance of cold.  The weather will be warmer down at the lodge than up at the summits, and things change across the mountain as the day progresses.  Chair lift rides in the wind can be cold.  You'll find out soon enough what works for you.  I realize some of this could vary based on personal preference and weather, but any general tips/explanation would be helpful.  Pack everything including the kitchen sink so you can modify during the day when you start your season.  You'll be able to narrow this down pretty soon.

3) I also have several down/puffy jackets. I assume I would never use them for skiing cuz they would be too hot?  Depends...

4) I haven't invested in much skier specific equip so this year I'm going to buy (in order of most important) socks, then gloves, then goggles I think. You have to have goggles.  Wind in your eyes will cause tears.  If you choose to buy a helmet, get them both at the same time.  You want them to fit together right.  Try them on and see if there is a gap between the top of the goggles and the bottom of the helmet, along your forehead.  There should be a minimal gap, not a huge gaping gap. This is a warmth thing.  Helmets, by the way, are way warmer than knit hats.  Should I go ahead and buy a helmet too? Or wait til I live in a place where I don't have to get on planes to get to the mountains since it looks like you can usually rent them?  Don't rent; it's $10+ each time.  Buy one that fits with your goggles  Then if all goes well this season, I'm thinking about asking for boots in April for my birthday to invest in! Then hold off on buying any skis til I live closer/not here like the helmet?  Boot fitting is difficult to get right, and you do want to get it right (I speak from experience).  Boots that fit improve your skiing fast and reliably.  
Read this: http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me and take notes, then spend some time reading in the boot forums before going out and buying boots.

5) if you are going to a resort without a car what are you doing with all your personal stuff? Key, cell phone, wallet, snacks? Lockers or something? I read you don't want stuff in your front pockets but I can't imagine I want my butt to slam down onto any of those items either lol but I also would think you would want some of that stuff on your person...  Keep the essential stuff in your ski jacket pockets.  The rest can go in a bootbag bought specifically for carrying your stuff.  Bootbags come big enough to hold two boots, a helmet, goggles, gloves, and other stuff too.  You sound like a gear junkie; you may want one of those big bootbags.  Transpack makes great ones with shoulder straps so you can carry your whole setup from the parking lot to the lodge on your back.  If you go the bag route, it will have to stay in a locker while you ski.  Here in New England people just leave them sitting around in the base lodge, but it's different at big resorts out west.  Some people do the backpack thing instead.  Others will tell you about that.

6) I read on the equip rental I'm getting in CO that it includes poles. After reading some on this thread, there is a lot of info on using them, but as a beginner I don't NEED them, right? I've only been skiing one other time in NC and I don't remember anyone ever even mentioning them to me?  Take a lesson, or lessons.  Do what the instructor tells you to do with those poles.  Some instructors teach beginners without poles (because often beginners try to use them in very, very dysfunctional ways); other instructors have them carry them around, basically to learn how to carry them right.  As a beginner, you will be using them in the lift lines and on flat terrain only, not as a part of making your turns.  You'll be carrying them with the hands forward, your elbows in front of your jacket sideseams.  You hold the poles diagonally so their bottoms are behind you up off the snow.  Eventually you'll want to carry them around and learn how to use them, but at first it isn't necessary.  *You are still a beginner/novice skier; lessons will be good for you because they will help you avoid some problematic ways of turning that people come up with when they teach themselves to ski.

Ok I'm sorry for all the questions! Thank you again!!!!  Enjoy your new ski life!
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 

@alit423 : what would you wear to go hiking in 30 degree weather?  20 degrees?  You're going to Colorado in the first half of Dec, right?  May not be as cold as you are thinking.

 

What I like to add to keep my core warm when a warm mid-layer is too much is a vest.  Before I started collected all sorts of ski-specific clothing, sometimes I would were a short-sleeve base layer together with a long-sleeve base layer.

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Sorry I wasn't getting the notifications at first so I just read these replies! THANK YOU! This is perfect.
I'm interviewing today for another job out west so hopefully that goes well and I can stop being so far away from these snowy beautiful mountains!!
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Sorry I wasn't getting the notifications at first so I just read these replies! THANK YOU! This is perfect.
I'm interviewing today for another job out west so hopefully that goes well and I can stop being so far away from these snowy beautiful mountains!!


Best of luck with the interview!

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