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I'm looking to update my 2 ski quiver. About me: I'm 5'6" and weigh 150 lbs. I've been told that I'm a mid-level 8 skier by full certs and examiners. I ski all terrain at CO front range resorts 20-30 days per season. I do a fair amount of skiing with my gaggle of kids (14yo, 12yo, 6yo, 5yo, 10mo who is obviously not skiing yet). I'm also considering getting my PSIA level 1 cert and doing some part time instructing.

My current quiver consists of Fischer Progressor 8+ 165cm (120-72-103) and Movement Goliath Sluff 174cm (134-99-118). Both are 7-8 years old. Overall, I've been pretty happy with both skis.

I'm not looking for a specific ski recommendation. Rather, what two types of skis would you recommend for me? I'm thinking an 80-85mm front sider and a mid-100mm ski soft snow ski would be a good combo. Does that sound about right? Thanks!
post #2 of 16
Those are good general waist widths, but I think your question on the second ski is whether you want a more traditional directional ski or something more freeride oriented.

The latter I think poses as interesting question, because frontside/all mountain time with the kids is a lot of fun on a mid-waist freeride biased ski. Not saying don't get a frontside specific ski, just that depending on what you like out of such a ski, maybe it is a more purpose oriented carver, narrower like you have today, and the other ski does everything else.

Just some food for thought since it's not clear what you might want out of both of these skis, and waist width is only one dimension.
post #3 of 16
How the heck would you have time to teach part time with 5 kids? LOL

I'm about your size and have an 88mm (Kastle MX88 168cm) and a 108mm (K2 Sidestash 174cm) for western skiing. I don't think anybody 150 lbs or under needs anything over 110mm.....IMO.
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How the heck would you have time to teach part time with 5 kids? LOL

That's yet to be negotiated with our family's COO but I'm hopeful.
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Those are good general waist widths, but I think your question on the second ski is whether you want a more traditional directional ski or something more freeride oriented.

The latter I think poses as interesting question, because frontside/all mountain time with the kids is a lot of fun on a mid-waist freeride biased ski. Not saying don't get a frontside specific ski, just that depending on what you like out of such a ski, maybe it is a more purpose oriented carver, narrower like you have today, and the other ski does everything else.

Just some food for thought since it's not clear what you might want out of both of these skis, and waist width is only one dimension.

Good thoughts. The 100-110mm ski would be the freeride ski. I like having narrower ski for those firmer days, groomers, moguls and soft days but hasn't snowed recently. I'd use this ski when with the kids who like to go in and out of the trees. I'd probably be on this ski most of the time and only on the wider ski when without the kids when there's 3-4+ inches of new snow. Sounds like I'm talking myself into 2 freeride skis and maybe an upper 80 or low 90mm waist as my narrow ski. Or should I stick with a low to mid-80mm ski FR ski? Decisions, decisions.
post #5 of 16
So just get yourself a FX 84 and Rocker2 100 and you are set wink.gif
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80-90 for no fresh snow and 105-112 for soft is perfect. My choice would be head monster 88 and maybe liberty variant. Monster for sure, fatter ski would prob do some demoing
post #7 of 16

Blizzard Latigo, Volkl RTM 84, Fischer Motive 86 or K2 ikonic 80 for the front and Nordica Enforcer, Salomon Q105 or Rossi Soul 7 for the back.

Mid to high 160's for the front skis and mid 170's for the backsides.

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That's yet to be negotiated with our family's COO but I'm hopeful.
Good thoughts. The 100-110mm ski would be the freeride ski. I like having narrower ski for those firmer days, groomers, moguls and soft days but hasn't snowed recently. I'd use this ski when with the kids who like to go in and out of the trees. I'd probably be on this ski most of the time and only on the wider ski when without the kids when there's 3-4+ inches of new snow. Sounds like I'm talking myself into 2 freeride skis and maybe an upper 80 or low 90mm waist as my narrow ski. Or should I stick with a low to mid-80mm ski FR ski? Decisions, decisions.


My opinion differs from what appears to be (with exceptions, of course) the general consensus.

I'm also 150lbs but a bit taller (5'10") with 2 skis plus 1 pair of rock skis currently in my active quiver. For me, 66 is my narrow ski and my wide ski is 84. The 84 is plenty wide for my weight whenever I stay home from work with the flu (Wasatch powder days). I have skied the 84 in all conditions, but for bumps, groomers, and scraped surfaces, the true, narrow waist of 66mm is so much more fun. Whenever I hear the word "narrow" being used to decribe a mid 80s width, I am surprised, but to each his own.

P-man
Edited by Pacmantwoskis - 10/11/15 at 1:11pm
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Blizzard Latigo, Volkl RTM 84, Fischer Motive 86 or K2 ikonic 80 for the front and Nordica Enforcer, Salomon Q105 or Rossi Soul 7 for the back.

Mid to high 160's for the front skis and mid 170's for the backsides.

 

I've read up some on the Latigo and it sounds like a great ski. Seems like it'll overlap my Fischer Progressor 8+ a little more than something with a 80-90mm waist but I'm not completely sure about that. I posted here about the Bushwaker as a possibility: www.epicski.com/t/143019/blizzard-bushwaker-as-my-narrow-ski. Anyone ski both Bushwaker and Latigo and can comment about the pros/cons of one vs the other? Which one would be better in moguls and trees? Which one is easier going and more forgiving?

post #10 of 16
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After giving this some more thought, getting an all mountain ~90mm waist ski is really filling a gap in my 2 ski quiver and turning it into a 3 ski quiver: carver, jack of all trades daily driver and powder. If I get the daily driver this year maybe I'll wait until next year to get the powder ski since my Sluffs are decent in the deeper snow.

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After giving this some more thought, getting an all mountain ~90mm waist ski is really filling a gap in my 2 ski quiver and turning it into a 3 ski quiver: carver, jack of all trades daily driver and powder. If I get the daily driver this year maybe I'll wait until next year to get the powder ski since my Sluffs are decent in the deeper snow.

The daily driver can also be the powder ski for typical CO days. See 100mm waist widths as powder ski. You may be pleasantly surprised at the versatility of skis coming at the "mid-waist" from the powder ski direction.

Here's a zoom in of the Rocker2 100 in cruddy August snow. Look at the outer ski tip engagement at relatively low angles, and that's a really surfy powder ski that is super easy to ski however you want to ski it. Skis very easily in the longer length option if you are between sizes. That one is worth an evaluation demo if you can.

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I've read up some on the Latigo and it sounds like a great ski. Seems like it'll overlap my Fischer Progressor 8+ a little more than something with a 80-90mm waist but I'm not completely sure about that. I posted here about the Bushwaker as a possibility: www.epicski.com/t/143019/blizzard-bushwaker-as-my-narrow-ski. Anyone ski both Bushwaker and Latigo and can comment about the pros/cons of one vs the other? Which one would be better in moguls and trees? Which one is easier going and more forgiving?


I've owned them both. They are both great in the bumps and skied out trees, the Latigo is much better on groomers and while it can be pushed very hard and is a stouter ski than the Bush, it is not an overly demanding ski. It does not overlap the Fischer as it is much more versatile off piste. It is a great complement to a 100mm ski which at your weight can double as a powder and soft day all mountain ski.


Edited by Eric S - 10/13/15 at 11:08am
post #13 of 16

My two ski alpine quiver consists of 185 Nordica Enforcers (100mm) and 186 Blizzard Gunsmokes (114mm).  

 

I have 184 Fat-ypus D-Senders with Dynafits for backcountry missions. 

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I've owned them both. They are both great in the bumps and skied out trees, the Latigo is much better on groomers and while it can be pushed very hard and is a stouter ski than the Bush, it is not an overly demanding ski. It does not overlap the Fischer as it is much more versatile off piste. It is a great complement to a 100mm ski which at your weight can double as a powder and soft day all mountain ski.

Thanks Eric. How does the Latigo compare to the Bush in softer snow and off piste, like 4-5" of fresh or afternoon tracked out conditions?

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I'm not looking for a specific ski recommendation. Rather, what two types of skis would you recommend for me? I'm thinking an 80-85mm front sider and a mid-100mm ski soft snow ski would be a good combo. Does that sound about right? Thanks!

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Thanks Eric. How does the Latigo compare to the Bush in softer snow and off piste, like 4-5" of fresh or afternoon tracked out conditions?


The BW is wider, so it is a little better in 6 to 12" of new snow, less I don't think ski width matters, more you would use your wide ski. The on soft groomed snow they is no real difference although the Latigo is quicker and in light chop I think i would prefer the Laitigo for the extra stability the metal provides.

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