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Good skiers on straight skis

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
First day of skiing yesterday up at Huntah. I was amazed at all of the good skiers that were still on straight skis. I was watching from the lift guys storming down Racers Edge on either old race skiers (Volkl P9's, ect) or Salomon's (Super force 9's or S8000's). These guys were skiing the heavy stuff on the sides too. Do you think:

A. They are just "old school"?

B. They tried the new stuff and said theirs were fine?

C. They are just cheap?

D. They haven't tried the new stuff yet?

I would sooner ski on a new $259.00 recreational shape ski than any 10 year old $600.00 race ski.

[ December 07, 2002, 06:37 AM: Message edited by: Phil Pugliese ]
post #2 of 29
I don't know what to answer for your posted questions.. However I do know that no matter how skilled a skier is, there is no one that can match the performance of "new" skis on a pair of old, long, "straight" skis. From an pure carving, edge holding, accelerating point of view, old skis just can't match new shaped skis.
post #3 of 29
Those were their rock skis.
post #4 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by milesb:
Those were their rock skis.
I'm with Miles on this one. As much as I want to take my new skis out, I'm not about to until the snow flies and the rocks disappear. Unless we have a great start to the season - which we haven't in Utah this year - I will take out my straight skis. And, if I hit a few rocks I'm not going to find myself in an apoplectic rage.

I don't think people have forgotten how to ski a straight ski; but, for most of us, they're just not as much fun. Skiing on straight skis is better than no skiing at all.

[ December 07, 2002, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: IG ]
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 
Rock skis? never thought of that. But there wasn't a rock on the mountain. But that does make sence. I took my new Truths out and not a scratch on them.
post #6 of 29
I know a few good skiers that refuse to switch. They like the way straight skis ski especially in powder and bumps. They have spent decades skiing with the old techniques and don't want to have to adjust. They've all heard the arguments and are blissfully happy with the way things are. One has stock-piled 1998 Rossignol 9S's so he won't run out.

[ December 07, 2002, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Rio ]
post #7 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Rio:
One has stock-piled 1998 Rossignol 9S's so he won't run out.
Rio,

Ask your friend if he needs another pair. I have a new pair of 195's from 1999 that I'm never going to mount.

Let the traditionalists stay on their straight skis, as long as they're having fun, that's what it's all about. Besides, they give the rest of us a market to sell our straight skis [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] .

[ December 07, 2002, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: IG ]
post #8 of 29
There were many tracks from the poachers at Okemo last week. The ratio was about three clean turns till on the fourth there was a major discovery of a load of pure granite.

On the groomed, I ended up with a few minor scratches but no major damage.

Lets revisit this issue in a few weeks. I did see a lot more rippers on the old long boards than I expected.
post #9 of 29
I skied on long boards till the middle of last year. Yeah, I love the new sticks (both the Rossi Bandit X and the Atomic 11.20) but I still use the long boards when there is any chance of rock. They still work great and the looks I get on the lift when my skis are 2x longer than my chairmate's are priceless.

Mark
post #10 of 29
Rock skis?

I've never subscribed to the wussy theory supporting the use of "rock" skis. Heck, the sooner you batter / rip your current equipment, the sooner you'll be able to rationalize / justify the purchase of new gear.

Has worked for me for over 28 years of skiing.
post #11 of 29
Personally, I prefer a ski with over 20m of sidecut radius...makes it much easier to make a semi-skided turn on a steep slope. A mid-90's semi-carved technique is really the best way to make it down a steep groomed slope...

Kevin
post #12 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by bigharvey:
Rock skis?

I've never subscribed to the wussy theory supporting the use of "rock" skis. Heck, the sooner you batter / rip your current equipment, the sooner you'll be able to rationalize / justify the purchase of new gear.

Has worked for me for over 28 years of skiing.
That is fine is Mummy and Daddy are standing by with their cheque book open.

post #13 of 29
If a skier ripped on the straight skis 10 years ago, wouldn't this same skier still rip on them this year? If so, why wouldn't this skier peruse the swaps, or search the internet for deals on straight skis? By saving the $$ that you'd spend on new skis you'd finance a whole season of skiing... No? Hold out, old school, stubborn, cheap? What's the diff?

I love the new technology, but it cracks me up that some folks get a little confused, even irritated at why others don't "seem to get it"....

Rmemember, this is an observation made on an Eastern mtn. The best fatty on the hill around here is still the variety you wrap at home.
post #14 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Exit 154:
If a skier ripped on the straight skis 10 years ago, wouldn't this same skier still rip on them this year
Yes, but if you ripped on straights you can absolutely rule on new skis
post #15 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Exit 154:
If a skier ripped on the straight skis 10 years ago, wouldn't this same skier still rip on them this year? If so, why wouldn't this skier peruse the swaps, or search the internet for deals on straight skis? By saving the $$ that you'd spend on new skis you'd finance a whole season of skiing... No? Hold out, old school, stubborn, cheap? What's the diff?

I love the new technology, but it cracks me up that some folks get a little confused, even irritated at why others don't "seem to get it"....

Rmemember, this is an observation made on an Eastern mtn. The best fatty on the hill around here is still the variety you wrap at home.
IIR, even being a bit modest, I felt I "ripped" on straights 10 years ago. With what I know now.. no way would I get on a straight ski.

I still have my Beta-max... doesn't get much use now with my DVD player in the house. Pro-logic isn't quite Dolby Digital. Disc brakes work a ton better than cantilevers. The list goes on.
post #16 of 29
"First day of skiing yesterday up at Huntah. I was amazed at all of the good skiers that were still on straight skis. I was watching from the lift guys storming down Racers Edge on either old race skiers (Volkl P9's, ect) or Salomon's (Super force 9's or S8000's). These guys were skiing the heavy stuff on the sides too."

Hard to put P9's in the same category with cantilever brakes.
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Exit 154:

Hard to put P9's in the same category with cantilever brakes.
Not when we are talking XT/XTR level, the best that was available at the time. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

When are we gonna get together???? :
post #18 of 29
Oh My God!

I feel so cheap!

I don't own a pair of shaped skis! [img]redface.gif[/img]

However shall I ski, knowing that all of you stuck up people are looking at me with Disdain!

Now I won't have as much fun. I feel like a red headed stepchild. Outcast. Idiot. Hick. I should keep my comments to myself, but this kind of attitude makes me sick.
:

It isn't about who has the best equipment. I suppose you all drive Ferrari's? Why settle for anything less than the best.

Gimme a break.
:
post #19 of 29
I have been sking a pair 1995 203cm Rossignol 7xk for years, and they rock. They are stable at speed, and make the most fantastic round turns. They are still very lively after a good 7 years. In the lift line last year someone asked me if they were cross country skis?? What a fool!! I blew out an edge that is unrepairable so it is time for some new boards. I just bought a pair of Volkl t50 5 stars. This will be my first year on shape skis. Pray for snow so I can try them out some day.
post #20 of 29
Not when we are talking XT/XTR level, the best that was available at the time.

Ahh shoot, I still have XT stuff on my bike, I guess I am stubborn. Phil, soon, tough to break free with 2 little kids.... aaak, this is the year though... Soon.
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Bonni:
Oh My God!

I feel so cheap!

I don't own a pair of shaped skis! [img]redface.gif[/img]

However shall I ski, knowing that all of you stuck up people are looking at me with Disdain!

Now I won't have as much fun. I feel like a red headed stepchild. Outcast. Idiot. Hick. I should keep my comments to myself, but this kind of attitude makes me sick.
:

It isn't about who has the best equipment. I suppose you all drive Ferrari's? Why settle for anything less than the best.

Gimme a break.
:
Bonni... Lower the caffine level. Lake a deep breath and relax. I was not slamming or condeming anyone. If you noticed I called them "good" skiers and didn't demean them once. It was an obsrvation. Please do a search on my name.. I never have deminished anyones ability because of equipement choices. If you actaully read my post, you would have seen that I said "I would sooner ski on a new $259.00 recreational shape ski than any 10 year old $600.00 race ski." So its not about have a Ferrari (which I have no desire) its about me having fun.

I choose to ski what I ski...it sounds like you do too, thats great. If you feel "disdain", it sounds like you were looking for an arguement were there was none.
post #22 of 29
I'd echo what WAPowder said - a lot of us that have been skiing for years tend to get 5 yrs or so out of our equipment. I too was skiing Rossi 7xks last year, and was having a blast on them. A couple years back I purchased my first shaped ski, for powder/crud - the venerable Volkl Snow Ranger. For years I skied both pairs, going back and forth without much problem (they did need to be skiied differently). I'll be the first to admit that the SRs don't have a lot of shape, but they were "new" at the time of purchase. Given that for groomers/bumps my "straight" skis worked well - I didn't feel the need to upgrate right away.

Of course I would agree with Phil - the new technolgy is just hands down better. That of course is not to say that old skis were bad - just the best in their time. Bjorn Borg was a great tennis player with a wood racquet, but not too many people use that technology now (as an asside remember his pitiful comeback attempt - still using the wood racquet).

And so there was no question that when the time arose, I would move to the newer more radical stiffer shapes. Like WAPowder I blew my binding out last year, so stepped up and bought a pair of T50 5*s. Will let everyone know how I like them. As I told the rep, they may be the shortest pair of skis that I ever owned (I started as a teen on 180s...)
post #23 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Bonni:
Oh My God!

I feel so cheap!

I don't own a pair of shaped skis! [img]redface.gif[/img]

However shall I ski, knowing that all of you stuck up people are looking at me with Disdain!

Now I won't have as much fun. I feel like a red headed stepchild. Outcast. Idiot. Hick. I should keep my comments to myself, but this kind of attitude makes me sick.
:

It isn't about who has the best equipment. I suppose you all drive Ferrari's? Why settle for anything less than the best.

Gimme a break.
:
Bonni:

I think you're taking all this a bit too seriously.

The general drift of this thread has been that good skiers can - and do - ski magnificently on "traditional" skis. No one is minimizing those skiers' ability to ski or the amount of fun they have in the process. You certainly don't *need* shaped skis to have fun.

So, have a great time on your trad skis. Based on my very informal canvass of lift lines this winter, you're hardly alone. There must be a whole lot of red-haired stepchildren out there.

Bob
post #24 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil Pugliese:
First day of skiing yesterday up at Huntah. I was amazed at all of the good skiers that were still on straight skis. I was watching from the lift guys storming down Racers Edge on either old race skiers (Volkl P9's, ect) or Salomon's (Super force 9's or S8000's). These guys were skiing the heavy stuff on the sides too. Do you think:

A. They are just "old school"?

B. They tried the new stuff and said theirs were fine?

C. They are just cheap?

D. They haven't tried the new stuff yet?

I would sooner ski on a new $259.00 recreational shape ski than any 10 year old $600.00 race ski.
[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ December 10, 2002, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: skicruiser ]
post #25 of 29
Ok, so I had a PMS day. Forgive me? [img]redface.gif[/img]
post #26 of 29
I have been converted from straight ski to shape ski. Started with 191cm shapes and this year went to 150cm shapes! Any straight skiers looking for some 203cm-205cm racing skis PM me.
post #27 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Bonni:
Ok, so I had a PMS day. Forgive me? [img]redface.gif[/img]
Forgiven. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #28 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by WAPowder:
I have been sking a pair 1995 203cm Rossignol 7xk for years, and they rock. They are stable at speed, and make the most fantastic round turns. They are still very lively after a good 7 years. In the lift line last year someone asked me if they were cross country skis?? What a fool!! I blew out an edge that is unrepairable so it is time for some new boards. I just bought a pair of Volkl t50 5 stars. This will be my first year on shape skis. Pray for snow so I can try them out some day.
Aaaaaah, the rossi 7SK's! They were the only skis i've ever had that felt like they were made just for ME. I still ski them occasionally because they're fantastic scarvers - certainly much better than the new crop. But then, scarving is shunned upon now for some reason...?

I can't carve as easily on straights as I used to because these new shapers dull your technique. With the shapers there's half the effort for twice the edge grip. Not that that's a bad thing.

Heck, calculators made meanial arithmetic a thing of the past, thank god. But just because calculators are so easy to get now, it doesn't mean that it's okay for you to forget how to add and subtract
post #29 of 29
Quote:
Originally posted by TheRockSkier:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bigharvey:
Rock skis?

I've never subscribed to the wussy theory supporting the use of "rock" skis. Heck, the sooner you batter / rip your current equipment, the sooner you'll be able to rationalize / justify the purchase of new gear.

Has worked for me for over 28 years of skiing.

That is fine is Mummy and Daddy are standing by with their cheque book open. </font>[/quote]Mummy & Daddy? Heck Rockskier, how long do you english chaps live at home with M&D? I thought concepts such as permanent family residences, incest, etc. was limited just to the royal family (breed).

Damn, are you implying that if my ancestors had just bothered to stay on your socialist isle, I would be able to remain on the family payroll even at the age of 40?

I'm really pissed and I'm about to burn my Republican registration card. This capitalism stuff sucks! All this time, my wife and I have worked hard in order to enhance our professional careers, net worth, and material possessions. What a waste.

Hey Mom....I'm coming home... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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