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Heavy skier needs skis [6'4", CSIA]

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hello fellow heavy skiers,
I need some help with some new skis.

 

The short version

43yrs 6'4", 295lbs 4th season coming up, Easy cruiser, CSIA level 1 instructor
Volkl RTM 75, 173cm Head Vector 100 boots
Looking at Atomic Blackeye or Crimson Ti's, Volkl RTM 84 and others
I would like recommendations on what to try, lengths, and also should I look at stiffer boots?
If you have time, please read the rest for a more detailed picture.

 

The long

I'm not huge fat, but definitely not slim either ;o)  Eastern skier
Never really athletic, played softball, and volleyball sparingly.
Cycled a lot in jr high, and HS. Not sure if this helps, but can't hurt.

 

This will be my 4th season skiing. I got my CSIA level 1 at the start of last season.
Was an assistant instructor the season before.


I'm being told by my fellow instructors that I should be on better skis at this point, if I want to improve.

I like easy cruising
More power than finesse
I am starting to carve (on purpose, finally) ;o) Still working on the stack
Every now and then I'll drop the hammer and lay some speed on
Mostly on groomers, but being an instructor, I have to ski it all, crud, fresh stuff, ice...

 

Even with my training, and tips from senior instructors, I still feel like I am lacking control a lot of the time.

I know the only way to choose a ski is to get on it, but I would like some suggestions as to what to try.

From what I've read, here and other sites, I am thinking of
Atomic - Blackeye Ti, Crimson Ti 

Blizzard - Brahma
Rossignol - Experience 80,83,88  Pursuit HP, Avenger 82 Ti
Volkl - RTM 84, Kendo,

 

The local shop owner, who has seen me ski,  had me demo these, but I thing he may just be trying to move stock.

Nordica - Dobermann Spitfire Pro, Volkl Racetiger SC UVO

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Turtle

post #2 of 17
Welcome to EpicSki. At your size you definitely need a stiffer boot. Head makes the Vector in a 120 and 130 flex. That's where you most likely need to be. As for skis, the Brahma might be a good bet as well as the Nordica Fire Arrow 80 Ti EVO, Head i.Supershape Titan and maybe the Head Power Instinct Ti Pro. I think any of those would do what you want. I've skied the Atomic Blackeye Ti and thought it was solid but boring. I think for the east, you should stay in the 80-85mm range.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Welcome to EpicSki. At your size you definitely need a stiffer boot. Head makes the Vector in a 120 and 130 flex. That's where you most likely need to be. As for skis, the Brahma might be a good bet as well as the Nordica Fire Arrow 80 Ti EVO, Head i.Supershape Titan and maybe the Head Power Instinct Ti Pro. I think any of those would do what you want. I've skied the Atomic Blackeye Ti and thought it was solid but boring. I think for the east, you should stay in the 80-85mm range.

 

Another 'yep' to the boots. Eastern skier... hmmm... You're too heavy for a Titan and not really quite there yet skill wise even if you were lighter. I'd think a Head Monster 83 would be pretty dandy for what you need. The Fire Arrow mentioned might be a good choice, and if you had a bunch of money to burn, you could do a Kastle MX 83 sort of ski (which leads us back to the Monster 83).

post #4 of 17

Like they say: boots first! I used to have hawk 90 boots when I was skinnier ( 200pounds :D) and when I decided to upgrade my skis ( at the end of my second serious season)... I tried a lot of skis but I was never satisfied until I upgraded my boots to my lange 130! These boots give me the control so I can exploit the skis I ski on! And at 295 pounds, it is even more important for you!

 

And for skis, of course you feel lack of control, your skis are overwhelmed by your weight and height! They were made for someone 5 feet something and maybe under 180 pounds!  you fill definitly need stiff skis or they will always wash out under you; also, you need them to be longer at your height!

 

You should look at full sidewall skis for braking power and more control...

 

180 cm Brahma could be nice but I'm also thinking about my 2011,181 cm, M-Power that are for sale... They use to be the favorite skis of the shop owner nearby; he's 6'3" and weight more than 250 pounds... He's a better skier than we are so you could evolve with these and at the same time, they are stiff but not overly stiff, They are a notch less stiff than the Brahma but have really great edge grip for east coast! Could be nice (and cheap) for you since you're still a skier in progress and since you also have boots to buy...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142817/fs-blizzard-m-power-8-7-fs-181-cm

 

post #5 of 17

His M-Power would probably make one heck of a good ski to grow with and take you to the next level and easily handle most anything east coast will throw at you most days.  That M-Power should lay some really good trenches and be confidence trustworthy ski at our size.  It looks like its in really good shape.  At 230 lbs I still like softer skis at times but in steeps sections or higher speeds they start to fold or get floppy real fast on heavier guys so its nice to have some stiffer skis to handle our size.  At my height 6'6" I feel like I have to watch over pressuring some tips with all my leverage and ski more neutral stance.  Sometimes stiffer and longer skis I don't have to be spot on 100% with being neutral all the time and that saves energy for lasting longer on the hill.  I over power or overwhelm my Nordica Firearrow 80 pro's in steep or higher speeds but they are super fun low -medium speeds and teaching.   

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the welcome people, and the wisdom.

It's nice hearing from people that don't have any skin in the game as to what ski I buy. Other than Mogsie of course ;o)

 

Finally, confirmation that my boots are probably too soft. I've had that feeling for a while now, but nobody I've talked to has mentioned it.

Boot shopping tomorrow!

 

As for skis, I've tried the Fire Arrow 80's Liked them, but they were my friend's and too short, so I don't think I got a good feel for them

Head Supers, tried them too, didn't like them at all, but I was in my 100's so...

I will see if I can demo the others mentioned, and mogsie, if I can find a pair of the M-Powers to try and I like them, I will definitely consider buying yours.

 

Thanks again people,

See you on the slopes

 

Cheers,

Turtle

post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Do any of you larger skiers have any knowledge of thoughts on this year's Nordica Firearrow 80 Ti Evo? I have read up on it, but can't find a review from a bigger body.

Cheers lads.
Turtle.
post #8 of 17
You need to find that balance between stiffness for performance, and teaching. The boot I love to ski in is way to stiff to teach in. On your ski, do you want a carver, frontside all Mt, or an all Mt freeride? Do you only ski on trail, a little off trail, or a good mix of everything? There many great skis out there, pick you style of skiing , and then theski made for that style. Keep in mind, that bindings have weight limits. Prerelease suck!
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

Wow. Yes, I really do need to be more specific.

OK,  at my current level/experience, I get mostly kids and noobs. Ha, I can call people noobs now ;o)

So for the foreseeable future, I'll be staying in my current gear to teach. Good Golly, I can't imagine teaching all day in a 130 boot.

No, the new gear is for my own improvement. My free time skiing. Gotta get the Stack down this year.

From what I have read, and what knowledgeable people like yourselves have told me, I am pretty sure I want a frontside all mountain ski

I mainly ski groomers, but want something that will handle anything if it has to. I think I saw the term "One Quiver Ski" 

I was thinking 80 because it's not a 66 slalom carver, but it's not a 99 powder-buster either..

I know I have to demo to get the feel for what I like, but am I at least on the right track here?

 

Cheers,

Turtle

post #10 of 17
Unless you already have the chops to ski powder, meaning you've been at it for quite a while, you're going to have more than just a little trouble with an 80-something ski, even an 89 or 90mm ski in powder. So don't expect that an 80-90mm ski will allow you to take on "anything." And at your size, a 100mm ski is not really a powder ski. I've used my 90mm ski in 18-20" of powder and my powder ski has been a 103mm ski, but I only weigh 150 pounds. If you want something that is closer to the mythical one ski quiver, I think you need to looking at a 95-100mm ski. I spent an entire season teaching on a pair of Icelantic Shamans, 110mm waist, mostly just because and to needle the ski school director. But we really don't have ice here. Personally, if I were in your boots, I would be looking at 80-85mm skis as a daily driver and if and when the big dump arrives, rush to the rental shop and grab a pair of seriously fat skis, like at least 115mm.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Unless you already have the chops to ski powder, meaning you've been at it for quite a while, you're going to have more than just a little trouble with an 80-something ski, even an 89 or 90mm ski in powder. So don't expect that an 80-90mm ski will allow you to take on "anything." And at your size, a 100mm ski is not really a powder ski. I've used my 90mm ski in 18-20" of powder and my powder ski has been a 103mm ski, but I only weigh 150 pounds. If you want something that is closer to the mythical one ski quiver, I think you need to looking at a 95-100mm ski. I spent an entire season teaching on a pair of Icelantic Shamans, 110mm waist, mostly just because and to needle the ski school director. But we really don't have ice here. Personally, if I were in your boots, I would be looking at 80-85mm skis as a daily driver and if and when the big dump arrives, rush to the rental shop and grab a pair of seriously fat skis, like at least 115mm.

 

Just want to emphasize this. 120 pounders can use a 100 as a powder ski. OP cannot.

post #12 of 17
The OP's in Ottawa. Doubt if there's a huge need for more than 90 underfoot.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

Now Now people, only grins and happiness while talking about skiing! ;o)

 

I should have been MORE more specific.

When I said "Anything" I meant any conditions on the front side of an eastern hill.

Icy in the morning, slushy at the end of the day.

Fresh show the next day, Un-groomed spots between runs

Something like that.

 

Bring on the snow,

Turtle

post #14 of 17

Get those boots.  Find a good bootfitter who can view your feet and lower legs, then they can recommend the boot that fits you and suits your skiing.  There's nothing wrong with teaching in a 130 flex boot.  I do it, and I'm 6', 180#.  The boots fit, and the forward inclination of my boots is right for my body geometry; too much would be wrong in both skiing and comfort.

 

Once you get boots that are just right for you, keep teaching lower levels on the skis you have.  Check consignment shops for used skis, find some who will give you a trial.  At your weight and height (leverage), and the speed you're working up to, you'll need the longest ski made for each ski line.  Skis are made proportionately stiffer as they're made longer within each line.  You need the stiffness to respond to the energy you put into the ski.  At my size, weight, and the way I like to ski, I've had very good luck buying one length less than the longest made.  I'm on 170 carvers and 180 powder boards, and both have the right flex for me.  No one can tell you in advance which skis will be best for you.  I know what type of skis suit the conditions you describe, but suitable skis in your size will feel different.  I can tell by watching you ski--I'll look at the size of the grin on your face.  Get the ones that give you the biggest smile.  Demoing skis is the best way to save money--you won't buy skis that are marginally fun or marginally suitable and need to soon replace them.

 

The skis I really like for the situation you describe are the Head i.Supershape Rally.  I think they're the pick 'o the litter of the Supershape line, and I like that line a lot.  I bought them after renting them for a week and skiing all packed conditions, bullet-proof to snow-cone, in Austria.  There is no good reason, and many bad reasons, for going wide.  It is a fad that is changing.  The Rally 177 cm with a 77 mm waist would be one to put at the top of your demo list.  There might be a Volkl you like better.  Or a Salomon, or Nordica or...  Demo.  It really is all about you, not so much about the boards.

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the wisdom people.

I have a good list of skis to demo,

now I just have to wait for the snow to fly.

 

Cheers,

Turtle

post #16 of 17
Turtle, you're too heavy for the Rally. You'd fold it with any sort of speed. You'd be much better off on a Head Monster 83 or 88, or a Kendo. A Kastle MX 78/83/ or 88 as well. A Blizzard X-power sort of ski might be fine as well.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 

For those of you still following along at home, I have purchased new boots and skis.

Well, new to me anyway.

Head SuperShape Titan at 177 and Head S13 120 boots. one season on each.

 

Thanks again for all the wisdom.

See you on the slopes

 

Turtle

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