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post #31 of 35
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Scott, what you say is true, but I think only at the margins.  I want grip.  I want my tires to grip the surface, and only real winter tires do a good job of that on ice & snow.

 

"4 wheels driving will beat 2 wheels driving if you are on a slick grade starting from a stop."  Again, only if the tires grip.  I've got many thousands of snowy miles on FWD with 4 good snows, and know I'm safer than AWD with all seasons.  And, some all seasons are better than others.  And, the amount of wear and heat cycling on the all seasons matters a lot.  Some of that hot summer wear just hardens the all season rubber.  The tread looks deep enough, but that isn't the same as good grip.  Currently the car & truck are both 4wd with 4 snows.  The Blizzaks on the truck are great.  The Hankook i*cept evo are disappointing on ice, still much better than the best all seasons.


Oh yeah, not arguing the snow tire side of things..it's more a vehicle dynamics statement.  I just don't like half-truths or people giving only part of the story. 

post #32 of 35
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

Scott, what you say is true, but I think only at the margins.  I want grip.  I want my tires to grip the surface, and only real winter tires do a good job of that on ice & snow.

 

"4 wheels driving will beat 2 wheels driving if you are on a slick grade starting from a stop."  Again, only if the tires grip.  I've got many thousands of snowy miles on FWD with 4 good snows, and know I'm safer than AWD with all seasons.  And, some all seasons are better than others.  And, the amount of wear and heat cycling on the all seasons matters a lot.  Some of that hot summer wear just hardens the all season rubber.  The tread looks deep enough, but that isn't the same as good grip.  Currently the car & truck are both 4wd with 4 snows.  The Blizzaks on the truck are great.  The Hankook i*cept evo are disappointing on ice, still much better than the best all seasons.


What makes you safer or less safe is not how much grip you have, nor how much skill you have; it's how close to the limit you push your luck.

post #33 of 35
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What makes you safer or less safe is not how much grip you have, nor how much skill you have; it's how close to the limit you push your luck.

First, you need to figure out what your vehicle's limit is, which is also dependent on your tires.

 

then you can figure out your safety margin when driving.

post #34 of 35
2wd drive suburban 3/4 ton on Michelin all season tires. Never had an issue. Moved from Texas to Colorado last year. Skied 30 days last season. Drove many times in blizzard conditions where chains were required. Driver skill and type of tire should be your biggest concern. If you need 4wd in Colorado and drive on paved roads for the most part...you might want to retake drivers Ed. ;-)
post #35 of 35

Last season was my first skiing full time, I did the Denver metro to/from the mountains trek for 30 days of skiing and a handful more to just hang out.

 

2015 Subaru Forester with the stock all seasons. I drove very cautiously so everything was fine until one day I hit an icy spot and fishtailed into the other lane. Thankfully no one was else was on the road. 


Bought a set of Blizzaks off Craigslist that week and never had issues with ice/snow/oily mud slush. 

 

I ended up buying a set of Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 that just came out this year that are snow rated for summer drives into the mountains. I'm hoping they work out well so I can sell my Blizzaks and not have to pay for mounting. But I would never go back to all seasons.

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