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Sorry for the delay in posting some comments and review links...summer has been super-busy!
We spent several months testing a fleet of Whitedot's skis in CarbonLite construction.  For those who don't know this layup, it essentially consists of triaxial carbon and flax (yes, the linseed/fiber crop plant) layers to produce what Whitedot claims is a unique and beneficial combination of strength and dampening characteristics.  We tested the following models, all in CarbonLite construction:

 

  • Redeemer 180cm
  • Preacher 179cm
  • Director 151cm and 151 (yes, 151cm!)
  • R.108 (formerly labeled the "Ranger", but renamed to avoid confusion and potential legal issues with Fisher's "Ranger" model)

 

The CarbonLite models of these designs are incredibly and impressively light, and they all have a very thin vertical profile (tell careless shop staff to be careful when drilling and mounting these!).  They all share a common personality of being very lively, responsive, yet damp and agile with nearly zero-effort to ski, with a lower top-speed than their standard-construction siblings since there is much less mass underfoot to give you that "planted" feeling at warp speeds.Whitedot targets the CarbonLite series at skiers who spend time touring the back and side country as well as the resort frontsides.  CarbonLite costs more than the standard versions, but they are worth the extra cash in our opinions, especially if you tend to be a more technical "touch" skier than muscle-head freight train skier.

 

Below are some quick summaries and links to the full reviews.

If you get a chance, try the Whitedots.  They have a unique personality and are super fun.  The guys who design these skis are super friendly and helpful and love creating skis people enjoy. Whitedot has a cult following in Europe that keeps growing year after year, and since bringing their brand out to the public around 2007-2008, have survived and thrived through each season because people like their designs.  Plus, the dots are really cool. 

 

Link to full reviews:
http://www.exoticskis.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=topics&f=36

 

2014-2015 White Dot Preacher Carbonlite
155-112-133 r=16.5m @ 179cm

 

Whitedot Preacher CarbonLite Camber Profile (from the front)

 

Manufacturer Info:




Whitedot Skis Ltd
91-93 Green Lane
Leeds, LS16 7EY
United Kingdom
Phone: (509) 392 1394
http://www.whitedotskis.com/


Suggested Retail Price (MSRP): (Carbonlite version)

€ 976
$ 976 usd

Usage Class:

Cambered All-Terrain Soft Snow

Rating (with comments):
(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8 for a directional powder ski
8 for packed powder groomers
9 for mixed conditions - medium-to-larger radius turns
7+ for hardpack - medium-to-larger radius turns
9 on hardpack for its size


Background:

Whiedot Skis began to really get skis out of prototype mode and sold to the public in 2009.  (We tested some of their first production candidate models back in 2009 in France.) The collaborative effort of several enthusiasts who wanted to build unique and effective skis in small batches using designs developed with pro freeriders at Chamonix and Verbier testing grounds.  The guys at Whitedot believe in constantly evolving their designs and exploring the effectiveness of different materials, so their models often behave differently from year to year.  Whitedot Skis are very popular in Europe for a reason...they seem to work for the conditions found in the Alpes of France, Italy and Austria.

Manufacturer's Description:

"Our ‘over-sized’ all-mountain, single quiver, cambered, ski. The Preacher has won independent ski tests, Freeride World Tour podium places and professional athlete accolades.

The Preacher offers a lot of floatation in deep powder yet the positive camber and full length torsional stiffness allows for an incredible edge hold on even the hardest of pistes. Designed with a 155mm wide tip to allow for a weight forward stance for ease of turn initiation, and a tapered tip to avoid hooking in the soft stuff.

Our unique carbon layup brings added weight-saving and durability into the mix and combined with it’s shape continues to give large amount of float in the fresh. The positive camber and increased torsional stiffness from the CL:3 construction brings an increase in edge hold on hard packed snow, decreasing fatigue and allowing you to ski for longer and harder.
"

- website 2015

Summary:

The Whitedot Preacher is one of the more exotic designs out there, being perhaps the fattest cambered ski in production we can think of...yet has a claimed radius of 16.5 meters at 179cm length.  This design has been refined over many seasons to become a ski with a completly unique character people either love or have trouble relating to, depending on their expectations.  The Preachers maintain an uncanny ability to set a pressured carve along their entire length once you tip their 150mm tips up on edge and feed the rest of the ski into the turn and apply force into the surface.  While the Preacher really has a single carving radius it's happy with (think "GS" turns), it's ridiculously easy to get it to engage, despite its large surface area. 

If you like busting through crud with a cambered chassis and don't mind a wide-area shovel to float over softer materials (some people like a narrower shovel for crud cutting..it's a matter of preference...), and want a super-light feel underfoot, there are few skis like the Preacher on the planet.  In its CarbonLite construction, Whitedot's Preacher becomes a nearly-zero-effort ride in more kinds of terrain than you are likely to find in one day.  It floats through mixed materials and powder superbly and predictably, while maintaining a definitlely directional quality rather than a surfy-smearly feel of a heavily rockered ski.  This means you can point the Preachers at nearly any surface and get a solid, light-handling ride with excellent floatation not found in other cambered skis.  Conditions in Chamonix and Verbier (where the Preacher design was honed since 2008) are often firm, windblown, chalky and variable with super-fluffy powder usually in short supply and the Preacher provides a cambered, responsive platform to navigate these conditions securely with no hint of washout, unwanted release or drifty behavior. 

You notice the light weight of the CarbonLite Preachers at higher speeds where they can feel a bit looser and more flexy up front and in the tail than the standard-layup version.  The Preachers have a devout following among many skiers in Chamonix/Verbier neighborhood because they provide solid grip underfoot at all times, yet are fat enough to float above the 3D materials instead of through them...as needed. 

They are unusually quick edge-to-edge for their width, making them more playful than people expect, surprising the pilot with their ability to go into tight spaces typically reserved for more rockered designs, yet retain a grip when needed, and float when needed.  Some testers remarked the Preachers felt like a powder ski with too much camber, or an all-mountain ski put into an oversized chassis...making them hard to categorize.  It's precisely this crossover personality that makes them so popular with so many skiers looking for a large-surface-area ski with cambered behavior, grip and pop.

 

2014-2015 Whitedot Redeemer CarbonLite 180cm

138-142/128/132-128 r = 21.5m @ 180cm

Whitedot Redeemer CarbonLite (bottom of photo)

Whitedot Redeemer CarbonLite


Manufacturer Info:
Whitedot Skis Ltd
91-93 Green Lane
Leeds, LS16 7EY
United Kingdom
Phone:


Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):
€996.00
$1,085 usd at 4/4/2015 exchange rate


Usage Class:

Big Mountain / Powder

 

Background:

Whitedot Skis began to really get skis out of prototype mode and sold to the public in 2009. (We tested some of their first production
candidate models back in 2009 in France.) Whitedot Skis is the
collaborative effort of several enthusiasts who wanted to build unique and effective skis in small batches using designs developed with pro freeriders at Chamonix and Verbier testing grounds. The guys at Whitedot believe in constantly evolving their designs and exploring the effectiveness of different materials, so their models often behave differently from year to year. Whitedot Skis are very popular in Europe for a reason...they seem to work for the conditions found in the Alpes of France, Italy and Austria.

 

Rating (with comments):

(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8+ for large bumps, 7 for small bumps
7+ for packed powder groomers for its size
9 for variable snow conditions below high-speeds...
8 for variable snow conditions in harder, crusty or cobbly material
5-6 for boilerplate hardpack
9+ for powder (less than super-high speeds, more directional than
super-surfy)


Manufacturer's Description:

"As Whitedot’s flagship powder ski, the Redeemer is an adaptable and dependable friend in the big mountains.The Redeemer’s playful and powerful shape is a natural choice to be paired with our CL:3 layup, decreasing the weight and making for one of the most natural and fluid turning rides you will experience in deep snow. "

- Whitedot website 2014

 

Summary:

 

The Redeemer's CarbonLite C3 construction is indeed very lightweight (1838 / 1842 grams [approx 4.0 lbs] for the 180cm). We did an A-B comparison last season of the "Standard" and "CarbonLite" Redeemer versions and found the CarbonLite to have a definite personality difference accented by a lighter, more responsive and sporty feel underfoot, increased agility and a slightly lower top-end speed limit. We reviewed this season's latest version with some more time on more kinds of conditions and found it to have excellent flotation, admirable composure and stability in mixed-surfaces, and a lightweight agility to let you ski all day with very little effort (a good thing on a 120mm waisted ski with lots of surface area). Hardpack grip was pretty good for a flat, non-cambered design...not "wow" impressive, but always had
good bite when you needed to stop or change directions on a moment's notice, and will carve across packed surfaces if you roll it up and pressure it consistently...never slick or spooky. The somewhat unusual shaping produced a ride with nice turn engagement and finish in 3D snow, nearly zero deflection except when hitting frozen obstacles under the surface, but the very lightweight chassis made it easy to make corrections. When fully flexed and released, the Redeemer has a nice zing to it, propelling the pilot nicely without surprises. The lasting impression after skiing the Redeemer CarbonLite was it became friendlier and friendlier the more you skied it, never demanding, and super playful and fun. Hard-chargers might want the standard layup for more mass underfoot and stoutness under pressure. The Redeemer has been quietly revised each season since its introduction, and this version in CarbonLite construction is a crowd pleaser with very low effort to ski, and a wide range of capablities highlighted by a smooth, agile, balanced powder ride.

 

2014-2015 White Dot R.108 (Ranger) Carbonlite
138-108-119 r=28m @ 186cm



Late-season "earn-your-turns" after closing date at Pico, Vermont

 


Brian Finch airing-out the Whitedot Rangers
in the cozy, springtime forested terrain of Vermont

"...The Rangers some to do everything well and were really an incredible ride. Here's a picture of the back country that was just completely gnarly and they handle them like a groomed velvet corduroy surface...." - Brian


Manufacturer Info:




Whitedot Skis Ltd
91-93 Green Lane
Leeds, LS16 7EY
United Kingdom
Phone: (509) 392 1394
http://www.whitedotskis.com/


Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):

€686
$686 usd

Usage Class:

All terrain - backcountry touring

Rating (with comments):
(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

9 for a powder ski (more precision directional than surfy-smeary)
8 for packed powder groomers
9+ for mixed conditions
8+ for hardpack for 108mm underfoot class (sharp tip to tail with slight detuning at the tip, 0.5 base bevel)


Background:

Whitedot Skis began to really get skis out of prototype mode and sold to the public in 2009.  (We tested some of their first production candidate models back in 2009 in France.) The collaborative effort of several enthusiasts who wanted to build unique and effective skis in small batches using designs developed with pro freeriders at Chamonix and Verbier testing grounds.  The guys at Whitedot believe in constantly evolving their designs and exploring the effectiveness of different materials, so their models often behave differently from year to year.  Whitedot Skis are very popular in Europe for a reason...they seem to work for the conditions found in the Alpes of France, Italy and Austria.

Manufacturer's Description:

"The R.108 is Whitedot’s most versatile all-mountain ski. It is the ideal choice for groomed trails, side and backcountry terrain. We designed this ski to be both great for longer radius turns on groomed trails whilst being able to reach into the deepest corners of glacier environments, conquer steep ground without sacrificing the powder performance on the descent.

The performance profile allows for efficient ski touring and aids steep ascents; the skin clip tail feature gives the rider assurance that their skins will remain firmly in position all the way to the summit.
"

- website 2015

Summary:

The R.108 ("Ranger") in the lightweight CarbonLite construction was originally targeted at backcountry and touring skiers, we found the geometry and construction remarkably suited for "all mountain" usage as well as adventuring off-piste.  The R.108 is one of those rare skis that performs at an impressive level across the spectrum of snow and terrain conditions. It's prowess is not in achieving class-leading marks in any one particular type of snow, but achieving very high levels of satisfaction in nearly any condition...making it one of our "must have" skis for nearly any day except when the snow is super hard or super deep when some other skis in the quiver would be more ideal. 

If you are looking for a lightweight, responsive ski for a wide variety of situations and snow conditions ranging from backcountry to frontside resort trails, the Whitedot R.108 "Ranger" fits the bill better than most any ski we have tested in recent memory. Testers spending time on the R.108 Ranger came back with huge grins and phrases like "Wow...this ski works great...and it's so light!" and "I did not expect it to work so well everwhere on the mountain...and it's so light!"...(you get the idea).  The R.108 is secure and responsive on hard surfaces, stable, predictable, agile and supple in mixed snow, and shows a comfortable, fun floating behavior and friendly semi-surfy, semi-directional personality in soft and powdery conditions. Turn initiation is easy, friendly and predictable without any hooky, grabby or insecure behaviors, yet delivers a sporty, fun ride and nicely balanced turn shape at a variety of speeds with nearly zero effort in nearly any conditions.  The Ranger R.108 essentially disappears underfoot so you can concentrate on where you want to go instead of what's on your feet and how to make the skis do what you want them to do.

The R.108 can feel like a lightweight ski at higher speeds because of its low mass underfoot, showing some slightly feathery characteristics as the speed increases, but it is always predictable, and by keeping your speed below racer-levels, you never feel this behavior.  We did not test the traditional construction version of this design, but based on our tests of other models with Whitedot's traditional layup, this slightly feathery feeling should disappear by choosing the slightly beefier non-CarbonLite construction if you have a "need for speed".

 

2014-2015 Whitedot Director 171cm & 151cm
133-107-123 r = 20m @ 171cm
130-104-120 r = 14m @ 151cm

 

Manufacturer Info:

 

Whitedot Skis Ltd
91-93 Green Lane
Leeds, LS16 7EY
United Kingdom
Phone: (509) 392 1394
http://www.whitedotskis.com/

Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):

€976.00
$1,041 usd at 3/18/2015 exchange rate

Usage Class:

All Mountain Midsize

Background:

Whiedot Skis began to really get skis out of prototype mode and sold to the public in 2009.  (We tested some of their first production candidate models back in 2009 in France.) The collaborative effort of several enthusiasts who wanted to build unique and effective skis in small batches using designs developed with pro freeriders at Chamonix and Verbier testing grounds.  The guys at Whitedot believe in constantly evolving their designs and exploring the effectiveness of different materials, so their models often behave differently from year to year.  Whitedot Skis are very popular in Europe for a reason...they seem to work for the conditions found in the Alpes of France, Italy and Austria.

Rating (with comments):
(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8+ for bumps
7+ for packed powder groomers for its size
9 for variable snow conditions below high-speeds...
8 for variable snow conditions in harder, crusty or cobbly material
5-6 for boilerplate hardpack
9 for powder (less than super-high speeds)

Manufacturer's Description:

"INTRODUCING THE NEW, GENERATION.2 REVISIONS

Versatility defined. Maintaining the mid-fat 107mm waist of its predecessor, the new Director brings a revised rocker profile, flex pattern and shape to the blend. The new Director has one of the widest performance bands in our range.

The introduction of the CL:3 construction to this ski only accentuates its characterful and versatile nature.

The weight-saving is largely noticeable underfoot which then transcends through from quick turns through the trees and boot packs to remote side-country, to a more balanced and even feel in the air.
"

- Whitedot website 2014

Summary:

The Director is unusual because it is available in sizes ranging from 151cm to 191cm, which is rare for a design like this.  It means people of all sizes can get the right length in this mid-fat 104-107mm waisted model.  Whitedot prides itself on satisfying their customers, and dedicating manufacturing resources to produce this model in a 151cm up to 191cm shows confidence in their design and dedication to getting customers just the right ski for their situation.  We were lucky enough to try the 151 and 171cm sizes for smaller skiers in our tighter New England terrain.   The CarbonLite C3 construction is indeed very lightweight (1162 / 1165 grams [approx 2.5lbs] for the 151cm and 1549 grams and 1552 grams [3.4lbs.]  for the 171cm)

The 2014-2015 Director is billed as having "the widest performance bands in our range", and they might be right.  We reviewed the 2011-2012 preproduction candidate Director in 188cm back in 2011, and were frankly not that impressed with their new design.  It was their first attempt at getting a ski design in the 107mm underfoot category, and it was not as impressive as we hoped. Whitedot has tweaked their geometry, rocker, flex pattern and materials over several seasons, and this latest generation Director hits the mark they set for themselves.  We tested the Director 151cm and 171cm with kids, teenagers, intermediate and expert adults in a variety of terrain conditions and found it to be definitely oriented to best performance in 3-dimensional snow, although it had a respectable grip on hardpack when needed. The Director shines on days when there is fresh snow in the morning, turning to cut-up and skied-out material as the day goes on.  It has a nicely balanced, easy-to-ski rocker design front and rear with enough floatation and turny behavior to take you pretty much anywhere with very little effort.  It's one of those skis you forget about wearing as you hunt around for good little stashes and woodsy settings. It's super playful, very, very light feeling and very responsive with very little input from the pilot, thanks to the carbonlite C3 construction with carbon/carbon-aramid and flax sandwiching its poplar-ash core.  The only real drawback to the Director Carbonlite is a somewhat lower speed limit than its standard-construction sibling due to its lower mass and softer flex pattern. What you trade off from big-mountain speed stability you get back in spades from the effortless handling and nimble responsiveness underfoot.  The Director Carbonlite is best suited for lower speeds, tighter terrain or lighterweight skiers, or backcountry touring duty.  This is a great design for Eastern U.S. tree skiing, or frontside resort skiing on light to moderate powder days.  Super-easy, super-friendly handling, agility in tight situations and balanced flex with a respectable edgehold are good words to describe the Director Carbonlite.  In the 151cm length, this could be one of the best kid's powder ski choices from small ski companies, along with the Praxis Le Petite.  Kids and intermediates relatively new to powder skiing took to this ski in fresh snow without any learning curve effort, and that says a great deal about the design.  Great choice for people looking for a lightweight ski with plenty of surface area and agility.