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Blizzard Latigos or Magnum 8.0 Ti's?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

So, last year I just bought a new pair of skis, but they already broke due to transportation fails (that's another story).

 

Anyways, I was looking at the latigos and the magnum 8.0 ti's since both are available and on sale at a local store, and they seem to have really good reviews.

I generally ski at snowshoe, WV, but I go out west around 2-3 times a year, went to vail and breck last year, going to utah this year, probably park city. But this will be mainly for east coast hardpack skiing. I'll generally be on hardpack runs but I'll hit up moguls or some softer snow if I can find it. I ski around 30-40 days a year, but maybe less this season due to school. I was evaluated at vail last year during a lesson, the instructor said I was a "solid 8." I'm fairly small at 5'8 and 140 pounds, but I'm still growing. I really enjoy blasting down runs at high speeds and carving, as well as making fast turns in moguls.

 

Note that these skis are both previous year models, hence the cheap prices, but I don't think the Latigo has changed, and the Magnums are discontinued iirc. It appears that the magnum is supposed to be more frontside oriented, even though the Latigo is narrower, so I'm not quite sure what that means. Anyways, I hope you guys can give some helpful input on which ski is better suited for me and even just the general differences between the two.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 29
If your interested, look at skis.com "on snow video review". They do these 30-40 reviews of each ski.

As a footnote, I'm probably a "7" and I'm 5'8" 150 and I have the 8.0CA. I love these skis!!
post #3 of 29

I don't believe Latigo's were reviewed in On The Snow. The Latigo is a front side that is very good on groomers and great in bumps and skied out trees. The Magnum is a more one dimensional hard snow groomer ski, better on groomers but no where else.

post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
 

I don't believe Latigo's were reviewed in On The Snow. The Latigo is a front side that is very good on groomers and great in bumps and skied out trees. The Magnum is a more one dimensional hard snow groomer ski, better on groomers but no where else.

This pretty much sums it up. 

post #5 of 29
post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks for taking the time to single out the more relevant reviews! It seems that the general consensus for the tis is that they're quite stiff,for my weight and skill level at least. I'll definitely consider the cas, though I'll have to look online for options then. Eric, phol, do you guys know how the stiffness compares between the Latigo and the ti? I figure that the Latigo might be easier to handle because it skis shorter for it'd length.

Thanks
post #7 of 29

It just depends on how versatile you want the ski to be.  I have the Magnum 8.0ti, I'm a little shorter than you but I outweigh you by about 30lbs so I like a stiff ski with metal.  The magum will be my ice carver rocket ship.  I don't know much about the Latigo but hear the Magnum isn't very versatile so the second the snow softens up or becomes mixed my Kenjas will come out and play.  

 

You might prefer the carbon version of the Magnum because you are bit lighter in the weight department.  

 

Those youtube reviews mentioned above about the Magnum are excellent. 

 

Just my 2 cents

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks, looks like the Latigo will be best suited for me. Out of curiosity, how does the kastle mx78 compare to the Latigo? It's most likely out of question because of the price but I'm just curious.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post

Thanks, looks like the Latigo will be best suited for me. Out of curiosity, how does the kastle mx78 compare to the Latigo? It's most likely out of question because of the price but I'm just curious.


The MX78 is a little more hard snow specific, much like the descriptions of the Magnum. 

FWIW, I skied the Cheyenne (women's version of the Lagito) against the Women's 8.0.  I would take either one of them because they were both great but I had a lot more fun on the Cheyenne. 

post #10 of 29

I have the MX78's and love them.  But not for the skiing you're talking about.  They are really a hard-snow carver (I live in the east and bought them for most groomer days).  They need to be driven and you especially need to be on top of your game -- and the skis -- if you venture into bumps.  

 

If you are really looking for a more versatile ski, the Latigo sounds like it. You may give up a bit of absolute carving ability, but you'll get a lot friendlier tool in mixed conditions.

Just my $0.02

post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post

So, last year I just bought a new pair of skis, but they already broke due to transportation fails (that's another story).

Anyways, I was looking at the latigos and the magnum 8.0 ti's since both are available and on sale at a local store, and they seem to have really good reviews.
I generally ski at snowshoe, WV, but I go out west around 2-3 times a year, went to vail and breck last year, going to utah this year, probably park city. But this will be mainly for east coast hardpack skiing. I'll generally be on hardpack runs but I'll hit up moguls or some softer snow if I can find it. I ski around 30-40 days a year, but maybe less this season due to school. I was evaluated at vail last year during a lesson, the instructor said I was a "solid 8." I'm fairly small at 5'8 and 140 pounds, but I'm still growing. I really enjoy blasting down runs at high speeds and carving, as well as making fast turns in moguls.

Note that these skis are both previous year models, hence the cheap prices, but I don't think the Latigo has changed, and the Magnums are discontinued iirc. It appears that the magnum is supposed to be more frontside oriented, even though the Latigo is narrower, so I'm not quite sure what that means. Anyways, I hope you guys can give some helpful input on which ski is better suited for me and even just the general differences between the two.

Thanks
post #12 of 29
I skied the 179 Latigo in New England last year. I am 175 and 6'0". I don't plan on selling this ski anytime soon. Quick edge to edge, lot's of rebound coming out of the turn; great edge hold, no speed limit awesome in trees and bumps. Buy it. You will love it.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
Alright so I went ahead and bought the latigos new for 350 bucks. What binding would you guys reccommend? They have the aaatack 13s for 150 but they might be too wide at 97mm. If they could fit that would be an optimal choice.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post

Alright so I went ahead and bought the latigos new for 350 bucks. What binding would you guys reccommend? They have the aaatack 13s for 150 but they might be too wide at 97mm. If they could fit that would be an optimal choice.
The Attack 13's have narrower brakes and wider brakes. i have the Attacks on my Atomic Vantage 90 CTI and my Rossi Soul 106. i am sure that they can get you a different brake, if necessary.
post #15 of 29

Marker Griffons work good for me.

post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 

So...I got the aaatack 13 bindings. The guy said that the skis will turn fine, though I kinda doubt his trustworthiness because he referred to the latigos as park skis. Anyways, the toe piece juts over the sides by a little bit, not enough to impede my turning for my edge angles I don't think. However, the brake is at 97 mm, which I'm pretty sure is going to be too wide, since a general rule of thumb is 15 max, preferably less. I suppose I could get someone to modify the brakes though :/

 

Any input on what I should do? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten the bindings, but I could hope they have good customer service if things go wrong (probably a bad idea)

 

*Edit: He managed to order 95 mm brakes for them, I still think they're too wide, he said 85 is too narrow, should be at least 90, making this place seem really, really sketchy.

post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post
 

So...I got the aaatack 13 bindings. The guy said that the skis will turn fine, though I kinda doubt his trustworthiness because he referred to the latigos as park skis. Anyways, the toe piece juts over the sides by a little bit, not enough to impede my turning for my edge angles I don't think. However, the brake is at 97 mm, which I'm pretty sure is going to be too wide, since a general rule of thumb is 15 max, preferably less. I suppose I could get someone to modify the brakes though :/

 

Any input on what I should do? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten the bindings, but I could hope they have good customer service if things go wrong (probably a bad idea)

 

*Edit: He managed to order 95 mm brakes for them, I still think they're too wide, he said 85 is too narrow, should be at least 90, making this place seem really, really sketchy.

95 is still too wide IMO. 80-85 would be perfect. For a narrower ski the closer to the waist width is probably better.

post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post
 

So...I got the aaatack 13 bindings. The guy said that the skis will turn fine, though I kinda doubt his trustworthiness because he referred to the latigos as park skis. Anyways, the toe piece juts over the sides by a little bit, not enough to impede my turning for my edge angles I don't think. However, the brake is at 97 mm, which I'm pretty sure is going to be too wide, since a general rule of thumb is 15 max, preferably less. I suppose I could get someone to modify the brakes though :/

 

Any input on what I should do? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten the bindings, but I could hope they have good customer service if things go wrong (probably a bad idea)

 

*Edit: He managed to order 95 mm brakes for them, I still think they're too wide, he said 85 is too narrow, should be at least 90, making this place seem really, really sketchy.

 

Agreed. Place sounds like they have no idea what they are talking about. I had some 95s mounted to Kendos which was about perfect. I think 80 or 85 could easily be bent to fit although I'm not sure which widths are available from tyrolia. 

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

A lot of stores say they have 85,95,105,115, etc but they also have a 97, so I'm really confused. I'm pretty sure 97 is the same as the 95 or something, and I think I read somewhere 88, 97, etc for widths too.

 

Either way, 85 seems a lot more appropriate than 95, considering the skis are only 78 at the waist.

post #20 of 29

On my Magnum 8.0 CA's which are 80 under foot, I put 110 brakes.  Shop recommended that.

post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

On my Magnum 8.0 CA's which are 80 under foot, I put 110 brakes.  Shop recommended that.


And you never had any trouble when laying large angled turns?

post #22 of 29

Nope.

post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

 
On my Magnum 8.0 CA's which are 80 under foot, I put 110 brakes.  Shop recommended that.


And you never had any trouble when laying large angled turns?

Do it right. Get the narrower brakes.
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 

Unfortunately I couldn't find any attack 13 specific brakes, will any tyrolia brakes of 85 mm work, or are brakes specific to bindings? Also, is it easy for the staff to switch out brakes if they are already mounted?

 

Thanks

 

By the way, I noticed in the description for the attack 13s that the brake is designed for 80mm and above skis, will the 2 mm difference between 78 and 80 make that big of a difference?

post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by lliu View Post
 

Unfortunately I couldn't find any attack 13 specific brakes, will any tyrolia brakes of 85 mm work, or are brakes specific to bindings? Also, is it easy for the staff to switch out brakes if they are already mounted?

 

Thanks

 

By the way, I noticed in the description for the attack 13s that the brake is designed for 80mm and above skis, will the 2 mm difference between 78 and 80 make that big of a difference?

 

-delete- read wrong

post #26 of 29

Brakes are definitely specific to bindings.  I went through the same search for a brake to fit an Attack 16.  The Attack bindings seem to be offered without a brake - you choose a brake to fit your ski width - which seems sensible.

 

I have a nifty link on my home PC showing all Tyrolia's brake types and their compatibility with various bindings.  I'll edit this message and include it in a few hours.

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
 

Brakes are definitely specific to bindings.  I went through the same search for a brake to fit an Attack 16.  The Attack bindings seem to be offered without a brake - you choose a brake to fit your ski width - which seems sensible.

 

I have a nifty link on my home PC showing all Tyrolia's brake types and their compatibility with various bindings.  I'll edit this message and include it in a few hours.

 

Brakes are sort-of specific to bindings. Different models by the same brand/same manufacturer often share the same brake -- for instance alll the look/rossi pivot bindings or all the marker royal series. I believe the Attack series has the Tyrolia Pro-Race heel which is the same design as the Head Mojo/Tyrolia Peak/Fischer something-or-other -- and therefore share the same brake. 

post #28 of 29
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post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by jmeb View Post
 

 

Brakes are sort-of specific to bindings. Different models by the same brand/same manufacturer often share the same brake -- for instance alll the look/rossi pivot bindings or all the marker royal series. I believe the Attack series has the Tyrolia Pro-Race heel which is the same design as the Head Mojo/Tyrolia Peak/Fischer something-or-other -- and therefore share the same brake. 

 

Yep that's right.  At least it's right for the higher DIN Mojo and Peak bindings.  I'm not 100% sure the lower DIN Mojo and Peak bindings share the same brake.

 

I've found the link.  Here you go.

 

http://www.univie.ac.at/USI-Wien/ski/Brake.pdf

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