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post #31 of 47

Are we suppose to be impress with the ant hill? :rolleyes

 

I'll never complain about the snowshed crowd @ killington eveeeeeeer again. :cool 

post #32 of 47
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@JoeUT, you are free to care or not care about anything, and so am I.


I said nothing to the contrary. In fact, I asked the question of whether you do care. Since you didn't answer, I'll take a stab: You don't lose a wink of sleep over whether or not Vail is padding its revenue by charging for a given piece of spam.

 

All moot, though, because no services were advertised, anyway. 

post #33 of 47
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I wonder if there are any Epic members from Russia who currently live there (who have been to Elbrus recently) and can update us a bit on the current state of affairs there?

Skier from nearby area reporting in. I lived in mineralnye vodi several years. Skied on elbrus this april.

Well, things are not that bad as Alera described (i don't know how it was 30 years ago though, i'm only 25 y.o.). Yes, locals are not very friendly but they know that tourists is the source of their profit. The best way to avoid them is booking hotel near the lifts, on Azau. There are no village or town on Azau (only hotels), that mean you less likely face young bored locals hanging around and seeking some action. What you should keep in mind: they are not russian (they spoke different language, they are muslims and they look really like iranian people) and have eastern mind. That means they would cheat you if they can, mostly in trading or renting equipment. 

Yes, there were number of accidents involving terrorists, but special agencies doing their silent job: almost every week they closing cuffs on someon's radical hands. I know, this is a bad reassurance, but we have what we have.

Elbrus trails are groomed nowadays. But since there is only one (but long) trail, it is groomed only one time per day. Staff cannot close it for grooming in the middle of the day. So, in the morning you can enjoy "velvet", but by the end of the day slope is being covered by moderate bumps.

Food is really different, you can find trash for restaurant prices and tasty food for moderate price. Mostly you can find local caucasian kitchen. It is specific, but not exotic. Soups and stews with mutton. In general, it is simply yet good. Can be spicy. But definetly no roasted insects or other nasty stuff (though you can order grilled sheep testicles in some cafes). 

 

I personally prefer Arkhyz over elbrus because it is more comfortable (it has normal clean toilets where you can step without wearing stilts), it has very well working rescue crew (they patroling slopes every 10-15 minutes and helping people in trouble). Arkhyz has more trails which are very well groomed.

post #34 of 47
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What you should keep in mind: they are not russian (they spoke different language, they are muslims and they look really like iranian people) and have eastern mind. That means they would cheat you if they can, mostly in trading or renting equipment. 
Yes, there were number of accidents involving terrorists, but special agencies doing their silent job: almost every week they closing cuffs on someon's radical hands.


Great, I just think that there is a bit bigger problem going on there other than "clean toilets" and "grilled sheep testicles".
Mountains look great !
post #35 of 47
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Just read the thread through, and you read like you have a major chip on your shoulder. Some of the stuff you mentioned early on was worth considering for sure, but then you come out with what was effectively, "so I heard from a guy that Sochi is the only modern resort in the country." Maels refutes that with some photos of another resort, and you half-accuse him of being on the tourist board. Maybe he is, but it seems he's just sharing others' photos and words, so not exactly putting on a hard sell. 

@JoeUT, my thoughts exactly. From fairly early on, @alexzn set out to denigrate an entire country and its citizens, just because he thought that @Maels was "advertising services" (which he clearly was not).

Not nice.

Of course, as he put it, that's "his business", and he can carry on in the same argumentative tone, if he so wishes...
post #36 of 47
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Are we suppose to be impress with the ant hill? rolleyes.gif

I'll never complain about the snowshed crowd @ killington eveeeeeeer again. cool.gif  

@KingGrump,I think it looks more like some sort of gathering.

You can see that they're all skiing in pretty much just their underwear smile.gif Doesn't happen on your usual day out skiing, does it? wink.gif
post #37 of 47
@Vladislav, thanks for your mini review.

You'll find that even in the most exclusive ski resorts in the world, the pistes are bashed only once a day. Plus a lot of people actually enjoy skiing bumps smile.gif

I've got a few questions and would be very grateful if you could tell me:

How much would a week's stay in a 3* or a 4* hotel (half board) set me back in Azau?

How much does a 6 day pass cost?

You mention that there's just one run (but very long) in Azau... how long is it? And how difficult?
For example, in Europe pistes are rated (from the easiest to the most difficult): green, blue, red and black.

If one wanted to ski powder - are there any good local guides in the resort? How difficult is it to find them and how much do they charge?

Thanks
post #38 of 47

It's hard to tell how much it would cost. For example, elbrus crew does not updated their ski pass prices. But it could be about $130 for 6 (out of 8) days. Hotel can cost you about $60-200 per day. But it is new year prices (again, they've not updated prices further than new year holidays), low season will cost you less. 

I should beware you about skiing in russia on new year holidays. As you know, fall of the ruble value caused that foreign now cost us 1.5-2 times more than before 2014's crysis. So a lot of people now choosing russian resorts instead of european. By a lot i mean really A LOT. I saw how it was in arkhyz last year (3-7 of january). Huge queues to ski lifts - chair lift had permanent queue about 15 meters long, 4 man wide. Slopes are not suited for that number of skiers. Result - collisions and sometimes traumas. 

Well, it's not that long - about 4 km. But i never used to do it in one run, it has pretty steep locations. I'd say it is blue to red.

Also elbrus is all about freeride. I'm not a freerider and can't tell you much about how epic is elbrus off-piste skiing. One of my friends there claims that it's awesome. But they are riding on a pure enthusiasm without care of where they are and what's the avalanche status. I've seen helis passing by couple of times (not an old mi-8 but something new) so there definetely should be some guides too. The best way is to have an experienced friend who've been there several times.

post #39 of 47
Alexzn is on target. I skied twice in Russia, krasnaya polyana, near sochi.

Unbelievable how rude people are in ski lines.

Crazy expensive prices, for low quality.

Good skiing though.

But, more expensive than France!!
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Alexzn is on target. I skied twice in Russia, krasnaya polyana, near sochi.

Unbelievable how rude people are in ski lines.

Crazy expensive prices, for low quality.

Good skiing though.

But, more expensive than France!!




 

It probably was not until the Olympics. Now prices are lower due to the fall of the ruble.

post #41 of 47
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I wonder if there are any Epic members from Russia who currently live there (who have been to Elbrus recently) and can update us a bit on the current state of affairs there?

On the other bits that I've bolded... Well, let's just say that you sound slightly biased, to put it mildly.

Hello !
I live near the Elbrus and Arkhyz.  In Elbrus ski resort are all very good indeed! Snow very very good!!! Last year I have been there 4 times!  You can see here photos (end of season Elbrus 15 april 2015) :
https://www.facebook.com/vzhulin.sfera/media_set?set=a.448295398662383.1073741828.100004457797721&type=3

 

 

P.S. My English is not very good :))

post #42 of 47
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Hello !
I live near the Elbrus and Arkhyz.  In Elbrus ski resort are all very good indeed! Snow very very good!!! Last year I have been there 4 times!  You can see here photos (end of season Elbrus 15 april 2015) :
https://www.facebook.com/vzhulin.sfera/media_set?set=a.448295398662383.1073741828.100004457797721&type=3

 

 

P.S. My English is not very good :))

Webcam online

http://elstream.ru/mir-elbrus/

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post #44 of 47
Thanks Vadim! Great photos!
The views are fantastic. It certainly looks like there was lots of snow for mid - April!

Tell me, is that a hotel near the lift station (Azau 2350m)?
Could you also tell us a bit more about the price of accomodation, lift pass, etc?

I would definitely love to visit, though I doubt it'll happen this season (got it pretty much planned out).
But it's on my radar for the next season big time.
Cheers
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post #47 of 47
As if there aren't plenty of good places for a traveling skier. One of the last places I'd want to go is to Russia, not for skiing not for anything. Or Iran.
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