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Tree Skiing: Blizzard Cochise vs Bonafide

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

I've been trying to pin down some new skis to buy, wondering which might be better for tight turns in trees / chutes

 

I can get a good deal on the 2015 Blizzard Cochise but wondering how it stacks up against the Bonafide (or anything else that might be better)

 

Also, would it be crazy to put Barons on these skis?

 

6'1" 175lbs

Mainly skiing Utah / Colorado 

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 15

Uh, none of the above? I'm not in the majority about this, but think there are plenty of better choices for trees and soft snow therein. Chutes, another story. I've owned Cochises, very stabile in steep terrain, decently quick. They'd work for chutes.

 

Barons, yes you'd be crazy. Both skis are comparatively heavy. Why would you want to skin with them? And if you don't actually skin, why put on Barons? 

 

Other things to think about: Trees like a supple and fairly moderate flexing ski. If you want something fat, the Patron or Soul/Super 7 come to mind. Chutes are no fall zones, usually, so you want something that's quick to come around, easy to horse into jump and retraction turns, but stabile at the speeds that will come once you're down a ways. Personally, I think the Stockli Stormriders or the Fischer Rangers fit that bill, but the Bonafide IMO might work well. Only problem would be that at your size, it'll be borderline stiff at 180, but at 173, may offer fore-aft COM challenges at speed. And again, odd choice for a Baron. 

 

If you want to skin a bit, using AT, then weight is a real issue. Yeah, I know there will be folks here who swear by their SteelRail 2000's, which weight in at 6,000 gm and any Real Man can enjoy running uphill on them. But for the rest of us skis under 3800 gm, ideally under 3600, are about right. 

post #3 of 15
I'd look for a pair of last year's 174 FX 104's and call it good. Baron's? Depends on how much vertical shinning you plan on. A little now and then? Sure. A lot? No. Too heavy no matter what the marketers feed you. smile.gif
post #4 of 15

Since I actually have owned every generation of the Bonafide and have skied the 2015 Cochise (which is different than the previous generations) I do have some experience on the skis that you are considering.  The Bonafide didn't earn it's critical acclaim by not being a very good ski for a lot of good skiers. One of the best powder days I ever had was on the Bonafide. We were getting 4-6 inches an hour all day..free refills every run...ahhhh...hold on I am going to remember that day some more....OK, I am back. If you want a ski a 98mm ski that is on the power end of the scale you will be happy with the Bonafide. Now the Cochise, Blizzard revamped the Cochise last year by adding camber, it skied more like a 108mm wide Bonafide which is a good thing. The 2015 Cochise has more pop than the previous generations, the ones that Beyond was referring to, and skis much more positively with a better connection to the snow. The question now, will this be your only ski or are you building a quiver? If it is to be your only ski, I would say the Bonafide over the Cochise. I you have a narrow ski, you might go with the Cochise but I know I would rather ski the Bonafide in deep snow more than I would like to ski the Cochise in firm conditions. 180cm for the Bones, with the minimal rise will ski it's full length and the 173 should not even be a consideration. If you don't want a power ski, there are some other great options too. Scott Sagebrush (188cm), Nordica Enforcer (185cm), K2 Pinnacle 105 (184cm) and the new Kastle BMX105 (non HP) but you mentioned the Cochise at a good price, you will pay to the nose for the new BMX105. You can go longer is some other other skis mentioned because of their early rise int eh tip and tail. 

 

And like Marko and Beyond said, no to the Barons. 

post #5 of 15

I'm with Beyond, neither.  I've learned the hard way that skis with low tips like the Bonafide and Cochise can get caught up by stuff right under the surface.  This is especially problematic in CO and UT where coverage can be somewhat shallow.   I have owned and was spanked in trees by the Bonafides and I've demoed the previous version of the Cochise for what that is worth.  The Bonafides did fine in firm conditions in the trees but I tend to stay out of the trees when there isn't powder there.

 

I love my 184cm DPS 112's (older model pures with more rise in the tip than new ones) in the trees.  The tips stay above the surface most of the time so I go up and over most burried branches.  They are quick and agile and a lot of fun in the trees and they are decent at chutes too.  They cut a skin track ok too.  If I were the OP, I'd be looking at this type of ski.  The Paton's tip is similar to the Blizzards' but the Super 7 or Soul 7 that Beyond recommended might fit the bill. 

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the help

 

Barons (and weight) aside, let's say I'm looking for a one quiver-type ski

 

Focus on tree-skiing but would like the ability to enjoy it anywhere

 

Any more recommendations?

 

Thanks

post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by xckeefe View Post
 

Thanks for the help

 

Barons (and weight) aside, let's say I'm looking for a one quiver-type ski

 

Focus on tree-skiing but would like the ability to enjoy it anywhere

 

Any more recommendations?

 

Thanks

I do find there are a few skis that are more playful than the Bonafide in the trees, but I never found the Bonafide to be a hinderance either. One of the things that could be gained from the Bone could be quickness and being a little more compliant. The Enforcer with it's softer flex, shorter turn radius and tip and tail rise should be my top choice. Again mentioned above would be the new K2 Pinnacles, 95 ion your want a bit narrower for quickness or the 105 if you want more float. I am sure others will come up with some additional choices and most will be pretty good and by the time you are done here, you will be thoroughly more confused than before you arrived because quite frankly there is no silver bullet and almost all the suggestions will be great choices. 

post #8 of 15
At 6'1", 175, I like the 184 Faction Prodigy better than the 180 Bonafide. I have owned both for at least an entire season. Prodigy is better in trees and bumps for sure. Bonafide was better in crud and on hard pack.
post #9 of 15
Hi Phil, I ski at squaw, and have binafides and katanas, both metal and carbon.
I found the katanas to be an easier ski in the bumps than the Bonafide, (13-14)'

Primarily because I can get it to slide easier.

A friend who's freestyle head coach skis the older cochise as his every day ski, obviously a lot in bumps.

Are you referring to the new cochise, and does it ski differently than the old one because of the camber?
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post

Hi Phil, I ski at squaw, and have binafides and katanas, both metal and carbon.
I found the katanas to be an easier ski in the bumps than the Bonafide, (13-14)'

Primarily because I can get it to slide easier.

A friend who's freestyle head coach skis the older cochise as his every day ski, obviously a lot in bumps.

Are you referring to the new cochise, and does it ski differently than the old one because of the camber?

The 2015 Cochise was the same construction as the previous ones but a bit softer and the addition of a little bit of camber. The 2016 is a different animal, the shape is different in the tip and tail, carbon is added to the extremities which created a bit of lightness but also quiets the ski at speed. The 107 and 177 are now a CM longer, 171 & 178 and the 185 and 193 are unchanged in length. The 2016 also does have camber. I was never a big fan of the original Cochise but loved the Bonafide. Once they added camber, I did like it better but the original one does have a following as do the Volkls that have similar profiles. I can see someone liking zero camber in the bumps better but I would take the narrower ski in the bumps even with a bit of camber, but that just gets into individual preference and maybe age ;) 

post #11 of 15
S3 - killer tree ski... and it just so happens that I'm selling a pair smile.gif
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
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by the time you are done here, you will be thoroughly more confused than before you arrived because quite frankly there is no silver bullet and almost all the suggestions will be great choices

 

No truer words have ever been spoken

 

Although I'm not a huge fan of buying the ski that everyone else appears to be on, I'm leaning towards the Bonafides. At this point the Cochise is starting to seem a little too wide

 

Really like the idea of the Faction Prodigy but there doesn't seem to be any left in my size and I'd really like to ski it before pulling the trigger. Maybe I can find one to demo, just to throw in a little buyers remorse with the bones

 

Not mentioned in this thread but I see a few Solomon Q98s floating around for super cheap. Wondering how they compare

 

Thanks everyone

post #13 of 15
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Not mentioned in this thread but I see a few Solomon Q98s floating around for super cheap. Wondering how they compare

Thanks everyone

For a lighter skier, or someone who prefers a little lighter, more nibble feeling ski, the Q98 is a great ski! Just don't ski it too short. Top of head height at least unless you're both lighter and don't ski particularly fast.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by xckeefe View Post

No truer words have ever been spoken

Although I'm not a huge fan of buying the ski that everyone else appears to be on, I'm leaning towards the Bonafides. At this point the Cochise is starting to seem a little too wide

Really like the idea of the Faction Prodigy but there doesn't seem to be any left in my size and I'd really like to ski it before pulling the trigger. Maybe I can find one to demo, just to throw in a little buyers remorse with the bones

Not mentioned in this thread but I see a few Solomon Q98s floating around for super cheap. Wondering how they compare

Thanks everyone
Nice skis, but I dunno what happened to Faction's US distribution. Here's a link to some 184s in Lakewood, CO: http://www.greenmountainsports.com/m/product/faction-prodigy-8252.htm
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Originally Posted by xckeefe View Post

No truer words have ever been spoken

Although I'm not a huge fan of buying the ski that everyone else appears to be on, I'm leaning towards the Bonafides. At this point the Cochise is starting to seem a little too wide

Really like the idea of the Faction Prodigy but there doesn't seem to be any left in my size and I'd really like to ski it before pulling the trigger. Maybe I can find one to demo, just to throw in a little buyers remorse with the bones

Not mentioned in this thread but I see a few Solomon Q98s floating around for super cheap. Wondering how they compare

Thanks everyone
Nice skis, but I dunno what happened to Faction's US distribution. Here's a link to some 184s in Lakewood, CO: http://www.greenmountainsports.com/m/product/faction-prodigy-8252.htm

It's really hard for these smaller manufacturers to compete when they don't have a strong network of dealers selling the product and they don't other products like boots to also rely on. 

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