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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hello all

I'm looking at a few used skis for the up coming winter & would love some opinions.

I'm 60 years young 6'2" 250lbs I have skied all my life & would consider myself an advanced skier. I live on the coast of NC & only get to ski about 5-7 days a year out west. I am currently skiing some old carving skis that need replacing.

I'm currently looking at a pair of 191 Mantras (2007) and 174 ull's Chariots(2010) ..... both in great condition

Both skis are well reviewed here for someone of my size ( although the reviewed Chariots were bigger)

My concern on the Mantras is ease of skiing.....that they are going to be too much ski for the everyday all mountain conditions that are probable.

Thought on the Chariots is that they would be a stiff ski , smaller turning R ( 15cm) but with enough width to maybe help if we go some new snow, easy turning but not long enough for any speed. Are these too small for me?

I know in a perfect world I would demo a bunch of different skis & then buy them or just rent, but I like having my own equipment.

Thanks for your comments

c4es

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by c4es View Post
 

Hello all

I'm looking at a few used skis for the up coming winter & would love some opinions.

I'm 60 years young 6'2" 250lbs I have skied all my life & would consider myself an advanced skier. I live on the coast of NC & only get to ski about 5-7 days a year out west. I am currently skiing some old carving skis that need replacing.

I'm currently looking at a pair of 191 Mantras (2007) and 174 ull's Chariots(2010) ..... both in great condition

Both skis are well reviewed here for someone of my size ( although the reviewed Chariots were bigger)

My concern on the Mantras is ease of skiing.....that they are going to be too much ski for the everyday all mountain conditions that are probable.

Thought on the Chariots is that they would be a stiff ski , smaller turning R ( 15cm) but with enough width to maybe help if we go some new snow, easy turning but not long enough for any speed. Are these too small for me?

I know in a perfect world I would demo a bunch of different skis & then buy them or just rent, but I like having my own equipment.

Thanks for your comments

c4es


Hello!  Always fun to "meet" someone living in NC.  Do you have a trip planned for this winter yet?

 

Last season a tag was created for big guys.  Click on Clydesdale under Topics Discussed to get a list of relevant threads for ideas.

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks  Marznc

I appreciate the reply. Working on a trip to SLC & Sun Valley in March. Hope this year will be a good year for snow. I don't think LCC will be a problem but not sure about Sun Valley. I have looked through most of the "big guy " post but will look at these in particular

Not much snow or altitude here on the coast ( I live at 12 ft above sea level ) there is one ski shop about 100 miles away but they are very limited ,so Epic ski to be my main source for any ski related information.

Is there ever a gear swap in Raleigh area?

have a good day

post #4 of 14

When looking at a ski from 2007 or even 2010, the more important question even than how good a ski it was when new is how many days are on it and whether the ski has any life left. Skis lose their "pop" over time and ski very differently.

 

A powder ski in a 174 is too small. Going over the handlebars small. 

 

I am 6'1" and weigh about 230. I ski carvers in a 185, and powder skis I'm generally buying the longest ski manufactured. Several skis in my quiver are in the 200 range. I struggle to ski effectively on anything shorter than 180.

 

Honestly, I don't think either of those skis is a good fit. I think you'd have better luck angling to purchase a demo fleet ski out West to keep things in a budget. 

post #5 of 14

I'll bet the collective can find you some great options that would work better for you than either of those if you give us a budget you want to stay within. 

post #6 of 14

This will seem like a shameless plug. I have a PERFECT pair of barely used 187cm Blizzard Brahma's listed for sale in the Gear Forum. Very reasonably priced. Whether you have interest in mine or not, I think it might be a ski for you to consider, and maybe if you have the chance, demo.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/135136/fs-blizzard-brahma-187cm-w-salomon-sth2-wtr-16s-light-use-perfect

 

I'm 61, and I'm about 200-210 lbs. I'm only selling these because I typically ski a narrower ski on real firm snow, and I typically ski a 187cm Bonafide in soft fresh snow. I have bigger and fatter powder skis, as well. So, as much as I think the Brahma is an amazingly versatile ski, I'm thinning out my herd. I don't need the one ski quiver ski. 

 

We split our ski time between New England and CO. The last time that I skied these skis was during a 5 day trip to CO, in late February. Mostly skied on groomers, and also on about 10" of fresh snow a couple of days, cruddy and windblown stuff. The ski does well in it all. Very stable and damp, but pretty quick, and easy to pivot with the rocker.

 

Might be worth a try. It's a heck of a lot more versatile than a 191cm early generation Mantra, IMO. {I've owned that ski}. Agree that you need to be in longer ski. With the tip, and minor tail rise, this is a good one to at least try….If you do demo skis, I'd put it on your list. 

 

PM me if you'd like. Good luck in the search. 

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by c4es View Post
 

Thanks  Marznc

I appreciate the reply. Working on a trip to SLC & Sun Valley in March. Hope this year will be a good year for snow. I don't think LCC will be a problem but not sure about Sun Valley. I have looked through most of the "big guy " post but will look at these in particular

Not much snow or altitude here on the coast ( I live at 12 ft above sea level ) there is one ski shop about 100 miles away but they are very limited ,so Epic ski to be my main source for any ski related information.

Is there ever a gear swap in Raleigh area?

have a good day


I'll at Alta in late Jan with a few friends.  Probably going to Sun Valley for a couple days before that because it was added to the MCP.

 

Since I'm in Raleigh, I can get boots at C&R in Hillsborough but I buy skis online.  I do the demo days at Massanutten and Alta.  The closest ski shop that carries stuff I'm interested in buying is Freestyle in Charlottesville.

 

For some reason, neither Raleigh nor Charlotte have ski swaps.  Wintergreen does one the day after Thanksgiving to benefit the Wintergreen ski patrol.  Appalachian does a swap and sale but I don't remember when.  The best way to find out about southeast sales is in the regional thread.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142548/2015-16-southeast-news-meetups-weather-nc-va-wv-plus-folks-in-sc-ga-tn-al-fl

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

This will seem like a shameless plug. I have a PERFECT pair of barely used 187cm Blizzard Brahma's listed for sale in the Gear Forum. Very reasonably priced. Whether you have interest in mine or not, I think it might be a ski for you to consider, and maybe if you have the chance, demo.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/135136/fs-blizzard-brahma-187cm-w-salomon-sth2-wtr-16s-light-use-perfect

 

I'm 61, and I'm about 200-210 lbs. I'm only selling these because I typically ski a narrower ski on real firm snow, and I typically ski a 187cm Bonafide in soft fresh snow. I have bigger and fatter powder skis, as well. So, as much as I think the Brahma is an amazingly versatile ski, I'm thinning out my herd. I don't need the one ski quiver ski. 

 

We split our ski time between New England and CO. The last time that I skied these skis was during a 5 day trip to CO, in late February. Mostly skied on groomers, and also on about 10" of fresh snow a couple of days, cruddy and windblown stuff. The ski does well in it all. Very stable and damp, but pretty quick, and easy to pivot with the rocker.

 

Might be worth a try. It's a heck of a lot more versatile than a 191cm early generation Mantra, IMO. {I've owned that ski}. Agree that you need to be in longer ski. With the tip, and minor tail rise, this is a good one to at least try….If you do demo skis, I'd put it on your list. 

 

PM me if you'd like. Good luck in the search. 

There ya go. It is a great foundation ski for you east or west. Plus the ski comes from a good home. 

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Muleski ,the Brahma's seem like they might be the ticket, how do they compare to your Bonifieds

I appreciate all the replies .

post #10 of 14

If I had one just one pair of skis, East or West, I would stick with the Brahma. This is ALL based on my personal preference, BTW. I think the Brahma is a little quicker, edge to edge, and maybe it's just me, but I think it pivots and "slarves" pretty easily. It's damp, and smooth when it needs to be {like harder surfaces}. It's a pretty strong ski, in terms of busting through cruddy or ratty snow. It has a smaller radius than a Bonafide. You can lay it over and use the whole edge, or take advantage of the tip and tail rise, and get the maneuverability of a shorter ski. It works. It's torsionally stiff, which at your size, is important. 

 

I only ski the Bonafide when the snow is soft-ish. I spend 75% of my time in New England on a couple of GS cheaters, which are a completely different weapon for buffed rock hard snow {think cement}. I almost always ski on a variety of pretty wide open, buffed cruisers in NE. Not groomed corduroy, buffed cement after 10AM. When it's real soft, I love to cruise rail to rail on the Bonafides. For me, they work pretty well up to around a foot of snow, too. For that matter, the Brahma's pretty good, too. I don't keep a wider ski in the East than the Bonafide. I like to pretty much charge on the ski, and make big turns. Out west, I can manage the ski well in trees, and in soft bumps {the only kind I'll ski…haha}. I think the Brahma is probably touch better at both. 

 

I guess I think that the Brahma has a touch better performance on old, non fresh snow. But we're talking very small degrees. 

 

Don't know if that helps. I"m not huge on magazine reviews, but I think they're pretty accurate on this ski. Very, very good, versatile ski. You can get better on it, and it won't punish you if you're not on top of your game. There's a reason why they sell so many, and why they get these great reviews and ratings. They pretty much do it all. 

 

My older brother, who's a HELL of a skier, and spends his winters in CO sold his Bonafides, as he really prefers the Brahma as his every day ski. He would rather not have a 98mm ski as his daily ski. Maybe it's because we're over 60, and have been doing this a while!

 

Last thing. I know a lot of big guys who ski the Brahma, and love it. Many of these friends felt that they overpowered a Bonafide, for whatever reason. Have not heard that comment about a Brahma. Some guys talk about the tip flapping on a Bonafide; have no experienced that with the Brahma. 

 

I'm very confident in recommending a 187cm Brahma to you. If you want newer cosmetics, or a different binding, they'll still ski the same! This is a very good set-up.. a great 7-16 DIN binding, IMO. And they are perfect. I've probably sold 40 pairs of skis, normally high end race skis, on Epic and I don't think I've ever sold a ski in better condition.

 

Thanks or the interest. PM me if I can add more. 

 

Perhaps @Philpugcan add more thoughts. 


Edited by Muleski - 10/2/15 at 7:16pm
post #11 of 14

I've owned Bonafides and demoed Bramahs.  Both would work for you but IMHO, the Bramahs would be better.  Super easy to ski to ski.  I too didn't notice tip flap on the Brahmas but did on the Bonafides.

post #12 of 14

The Brahma of muleski could be nice for you...or all of these that I'm selling right now... (I,m 6 feet and 215 pounds so...)... A shop owner I know ( about your size and weight) skied nothing else than the M-Power... He now is frequently on Bonafide and R-Power...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/127298/fs-salomon-enduro-850-xti-2012-184cm

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142817/fs-blizzard-m-power-8-7-fs-181-cm

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142816/fs-2014-kastle-fx104-184-cm-adrenaline-13-large-skins

 

If you want to stick to around 100 mm; Fischer motive 95 are really nice too...

post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by c4es View Post

Hello all
I'm looking at a few used skis for the up coming winter & would love some opinions.
I'm 60 years young 6'2" 250lbs I have skied all my life & would consider myself an advanced skier. I live on the coast of NC & only get to ski about 5-7 days a year out west. I am currently skiing some old carving skis that need replacing.
I'm currently looking at a pair of 191 Mantras (2007) and 174 ull's Chariots(2010) ..... both in great condition
Both skis are well reviewed here for someone of my size ( although the reviewed Chariots were bigger)
My concern on the Mantras is ease of skiing.....that they are going to be too much ski for the everyday all mountain conditions that are probable.
Thought on the Chariots is that they would be a stiff ski , smaller turning R ( 15cm) but with enough width to maybe help if we go some new snow, easy turning but not long enough for any speed. Are these too small for me?
I know in a perfect world I would demo a bunch of different skis & then buy them or just rent, but I like having my own equipment.
Thanks for your comments
c4es

A friend (tall, 6+ ft) demoed the Brahma last year. He said it was great to open up on groomers and in crud, but too firm for taking the zipper line in firm bumps (99% of what he skies is long bump runs).

Another 6+ friend has a one ski quiver - the 2013 Mantras in a shorter length ( ~175). He skis all terrain with them from tight trees, to bumps, and deep powder. The guy loves them.

Can't go wrong with either I think, unless you are a bump purist! Buy the Brahmas posted on this thread and I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
post #14 of 14
I own the chariots in a 178 twin tip. I am your size. They are a great ski and would make a great one ski quiver for out west. In soft snow they are fabulous. You don't really feel the short radius. On ice, they have amazing grip and feel like a slalom ski. My only negative is you feel the width on ice and that makes them average for edge to edge quickness. I have race skis for hard icy conditions and the chariots for everything else. A. Lot of people like the mantras. More gs ski and really good for cruising.. I have skied the brahma and like them a lot. I agree with mule skis review and they make the best one ski quiver for the east.

To answer your question about the Chariots, the twin tips in 178 would not be too small for you. They do make a non twin tip with rocker and that maybe what you are mentioning in 174 length, otherwise they are 178. I would not recommend the 2010 non-twin tip based on reading a review or two on the web.

Muleskis's Brahma's would be a good buy for you and be an East Coast one ski quiver.
Edited by bttocs - 10/5/15 at 10:30am
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