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post #1 of 8
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Hello I am male 5ft 5 inches tall losing weight with a target of 143 lbs. I like to ski fast and bumps as well when I can find them almost never have powder to ski in.

If I am not concerned about having the rubber soles from the RX range is the RS series a better boot for more consistent flex as temps change ? Do the RS liners pack out more slowly ?

Is the SC boot going to have any issues for me at my height ? any draw backs I perhaps have not considered

I can flex the RX 130 and RS 130 fine in the shop but with losing weight and the shop being warm would the experts on here expect the RS 110 and RX 100 to be plenty stiff enough for all front side skiing at my size ?

I ski Kastle LX 72

Thanks

post #2 of 8
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Originally Posted by uksailor View Post
 

Hello I am male 5ft 5 inches tall losing weight with a target of 143 lbs. I like to ski fast and bumps as well when I can find them almost never have powder to ski in.

If I am not concerned about having the rubber soles from the RX range is the RS series a better boot for more consistent flex as temps change ? Do the RS liners pack out more slowly ?

Is the SC boot going to have any issues for me at my height ? any draw backs I perhaps have not considered

I can flex the RX 130 and RS 130 fine in the shop but with losing weight and the shop being warm would the experts on here expect the RS 110 and RX 100 to be plenty stiff enough for all front side skiing at my size ?

I ski Kastle LX 72

Thanks


uksailor,

 

As you guessed---all boots stiffen much when exposed to cold temps---how much depends on the polymer used in the shell.

 

The RS uses polyether (Stiff when cold) (soft when warm)  in both the upper and lower parts of the shell, plus a thinner liner to get you closer to the shell and the shell walls are thicker which makes the boot stiffer over all and quicker.  The liner will packout slower because it is denser and there is not as much thickness to pack out. 

 

The RX uses polyether in the lower and polyurethane in the upper, has a roomier shell and softer thicker liner---plus more width and a more open toe box.  You didn't say if you had a wide or narrow foot?

 

So far as the 110 or 100 it would depend on your experience and skill level as to whether you would like the 130 compared to the lower flex shell.  Hard to say from here:cool.

 

mike

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thanks Mike, i'm not concerned about fit oooooooops theres a thing to say on this site.

I currently have Raptor RS 130 could be a great boot for me but I have been working to form my arches and strengthen my feet so am unwilling to tweak the boot at this stage, so if while in Austria I find im in problems I either have to self sort this or wait until a return to UK.

I have Atomic Pro 130 I suspect that these have a little too much forward lean and are perhaps  a little on the stiff side for me, I am 60 this year and maybe have come to the point of not wanting to charge all the time or have to be "on it" 

Also the Krypton Pro 2 so for further information this boot with true fit liner, no stiffening and soft tongue is too soft I preferred it with stiff tongue two wedges in the back to stiffen and a zip fit.

I hope to have my dream this year of two months skiing in Austria and plan to go with three pairs of boots. 

So by the sounds of it the RS boots might suit me better in terms of liner and temp sensitivity but not sure if the RS 110 would be stiff enough.

The RS 130 SC I tried on seemed to flex smooth and easy but this is in a shop and I have read only that Langes stiffen hugely in the cold, and ive never owned a pair

post #4 of 8
Hey uksailor,
As you probably know.. I would recommend visiting a boot fitter and try to dial in one pair of boots to fit great.. You mentioned you were working on forming your arches?? A good boot fitter will assess your needs and biomechanics. A cutom insole may be helpful.. Good luck..
post #5 of 8
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Hi Burgman thank you for your advice I know it is good advice and for the best wishes as well.

I have previously visited perhaps two of the best boot fitters available in the UK. One sent me to what was actually an American podiatrist I had full gait analysis and £700 later was the proud owner of three American made posted carbon orthotics to stabilise my mobile feet, then into a pair of size 25 Salomons and full foam inner boot. While this did me for two trips to Canada I am not a 25 but a 24 mondo and after 10 days the inners which were foamed as tight as we could manage were already requiring the buckles to be tightened and after 14 days this was to the point I was getting trouble from that (boots too big not my choice).

When I wanted to go skiing again after a two year break the boots were unwearable due to arch pain.

I have been measured in four shops as a 25 and iny one as a 24. Perhaps 25 years ago the guy who became the MD of Snow and Rock ordered me in a pair of Dynafit 3F boots in a size 5 but when it came to foaming them refused to do this and insisted I go into a 6 and the foam would make the fit perfect he said, WRONG my skinny feet slipped around in them black toes and sore shins the lot, in the bin after one week.

So I am a bit jaded about boot fitters and use my own judgment after all its my feet and my dollar and in retrospect my own thoughts or desires as to size were correct and most fitters wrong. It seems on here it is the consensus a major issue is people buying a boot that is too big, my own issue is the fitters trying to put me into a size too large and either not having my size or being unwilling to have me go into a proper size boot, after all put a customer into a boot too large is easy money and gone here in UK mostly anyway.

Also it is part of my profession to know about bio mechanics, so while I feel and appreciate really I do the concern of gong into this blind, it is not quite like that. Also as for sizing I originally bought the Raptor B3 RD and preferred the heel hold but thought perhaps for recreational skiing the liner might be a bit thin etc so bottled out and bought the RS 130 instead, if they prove great but not snug enough i'll go for the them in future.

Truly I am happy the Lange is a good alternate boot for me to play with in the RS or RX LV but I have never had one of the translucent plastics and after much research I am a little concerned of the RX liner packing out quickly (could then use my zip fits ) or try an intuition, and how stiff the Langes in general compare to the other boots that are knowns to me.

I am also thinking of a pair of Seth Morrisons as well as not instead of call that one unfinished business, and for me for this coming season call it all a 60th indulgence and perhaps all part of the fun as i'm a man who has to know and has to experience for himself, and I like to learn as much as I can constantly.

So RS or RX and 100 110 or 130 that is the question seriously

post #6 of 8

well i will answer even though you will probably state that i was one of the boot fitters you have seen, although a foam liner in a salomon may have been someone else at the same store (i am not the big foam fan) but i did used to work closely with the American podiatrist .....

 

that said gong back 10-15 years a 25 may well have been the right boot, i know very well that most boots are now sizing up much bigger than they were in those days so someone who had a 25 back then would be in a 24 of the latest salomon boots so maybe this is where the differential came from??? 

 

but there is probably no point me continuing as you  have already stated 

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  It seems on here it is the consensus a major issue is people buying a boot that is too big, my own issue is the fitters trying to put me into a size too large and either not having my size or being unwilling to have me go into a proper size boot, after all put a customer into a boot too large is easy money and gone here in UK mostly anyway.

 

 

if i get told one  more time that we sell boots too small i think i will scream, it is a constant challenge battling the resort shops and the owners of "so called Specialists" who will not let a boot fitter work how they should because it takes longer or the customer come back being told the boot is too small  over 10 years ago now i left the retailer you are talking about for precisely those reasons

 

for what it is worth we hold the 24.5 in Head raptor RS140 ( we did have B2 abd B3 but have sold out)  rossi hero(same as lange RS130) Lange RS110 SC   Lange RX100 LV, salomon X max, the lange XT 130 LV, atomic Redster pro 120  atomic Hawx 130 and sell more 24.5 mens boots than any other store in the UK

post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 

Hi CEM,

It will be difficult for me to reply to this and be crystal clear so assumtions are not made about what I am saying.

First yes you were one of the boots fitters i've seen falling into the category of one of the two best and in my personal opinion the best fitter I have seen to be clear on that point. I also have done reatil management and assumed that indeed the store owners are a major factor as to how people are fitted. As for the Salmon I suspect it was the best option available at the time but still too large of a volume, what I did get from this was two good holidays in Canada after a lot of previous grief and was grateful to you for that and the hard work put in. That said the boot needed a heel lift to reduce height over my instep. One of the points I was making is that nothing remains constant and can and does change and the carbon orthotics which the podiatrists view was my feet would never change and ought therefore be useable forever in theory became super unusable for me. I did have trouble with the right foot being painful returned to him to try to resolve this and he said I needed more foam under the arch informed him this was not logical to me. he insisted this was correct had the alteration done at which point I could not even stand upon it for pain enough said. that was a part of my unknown to you further experience, and certainly nothing to do with you, you simply gave that absolute best advice you could at the time and worked diligently to sort me out.

As you know the UK market and I have not seen you in your own business it will come as no surprise that snow and rock ellis brigham etc say im a 25 and carry almost no 24 mens boots some but not many. Ski Bartlet are the only shop i've visited who said no your a 24 and given all the shell checking ive done etc I am a 24.

The best fit to my foot of a shell to my foot seems to be the Raptor, but in the end if I am in Austria and have an issue there is no one ive yet seen out there whom I could trust indeed they seem to start mens sizes in a 26 and my Austrian girl friend bought her boots in the UK under my advice as to a good shop because she says they pretty much put you in too big a boot and let you get on with it. She now has the best fitting boots she has ever owned in 45 years of skiing.

So I have spoken to you about foot beds and know you are doing the instaprint and that is still in mind for me but I have not yet pulled the trigger simply because I am working hard to improve my feet with a degree of success.

I am going to actually enjoy this year all being well trying and playing with some boots and parameters while I continue to learn alter my biomechanics which with over 40 years of traumas are and have changed massively with over two years of hard work to correct my own neck mostly carried out by myself and I suspect has taken me over 200 hours of self input to achieve this spread over that time along with some outside help.

There is a danger of this thread going very off track in that I am very unsure in terms of buying a Lange not having had one before based simply upon what I have read repeatedly that "Langes stiffen up a sh.t ton" among other quotes which boot might be the best of them a choice and decision I have to make myself untried but hoped for some sparkle of knowledge to help make this choice.

I have read the threads on here the repeated advice on seeing a boot fitter and I agree all good and indeed I have and took Sylvie to one myself and she is happy, I think or suspect the eventual best boot for me will become the Raptor but in what finished format I don't know and until ive spent many days on the slopes I wont truly know. So as a part of my experience enjoyment learning and maybe even fun I plan to try to buy and experience those boots which ive tried and think make good sense but I can not afford to say buy four Langes to play with and the extra baggage will get to be a chore beyond taking three pairs with me.

It would be great to have a wonderful boot fitter in resort to work with like I read about on here but I don't, I do appreciate Colin the efforts you made I could see that and understand completely why you left Leamington and set up and clearly you are at the top of your profession now in the UK but I was trying to make the point that in the end I have taken advice on many things from the experts or professionals and it is not always the best. Often times that may be due to faulty customer input and the only person in this case who can feel what it is their foot feels is the customer, and I have thought well if there was a way the fitter knew exactly what the boot felt like to the customer your work would be a LOT easier and quicker to carry out for an optimal finished product.

Sorry this clearly got way off track from what I hoped was a simple initial question a 60 year old guy 5ft 5inches who is working to be 140lbs likes to ski fast in terms of what he has seen of others around him but knows he is less aggressive these days and already has two high end boots would the RS 110 or RX 100 even likely be good enough may have been a better way to put it. Probably non answerable unless you came to ski with me to know first hand what you thought would be better

post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Perhaps I can ask a slightly different question.

When compared to say a Raptor RS 130 is there something about the plastic Lange uses in their blue RS 130 that results in a greater increase in stiffness  as the temperature goes down or is this incorrect anecdotal opinion ?

I have read that a punch done to a blue Lange can be lost due to very warm weather perhaps left in a hot car, if that is the case is this simply the boot was not stretched correctly to begin with ? not hot enough or left for long enough for the stretch to be stable ?

A part of trying to get further input is because if I make target (I am just about on track to hit target at the time I hit the slopes) I will have lost up to 37 lbs body weight and it is so long since I will have been that weight I can not work out how the boot flex is going to feel. I am and will be in much better ski condition but don't want to over match myself

Even if I dont come out of next season with a boot I love that all perfect and sorted that is okay, but I do wish to be able to ski without pain in good control, and to by the end of it be absolutely clear of which boot in what flex and with what foot bed etc set up has the job done to make me happy. I do have thoughts to live in Austria who knows right now if that will happen but if I do then all of this will have been worth it, if not no worries i will be older and perhaps wiser and that is okay to.

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