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post #1 of 10
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I am struggling to finalize my decision on which ski length I need.  I recently got a great deal on new pair of 2015 pair Kastle MX83's w/Attack13 bindings.  I was on the fence but ordered the 183's.  When they arrived, they seemed huge- almost exactly to, or 1cm below the very top of my head.  For some reason Kastle only odd sizing e.g., 163, 173 and 183- there is no 176/8 like most other skis which makes this all that much harder.

 

I am 6'1" but only about 165.  I know weight is a very important factor.  I am a very strong intermediate skier.  I ski fairly aggressively and technically.  I hesitate to call myself an expert because most who do, are not. (;

I will ski primarily on the crowded, hard packed snow/ice of the east coast.

I primarily will use this ski in search of the elusive perfect carve.  I'm not into bumps, trees or jumps.

I don't need to go very fast but will occasionally and I do appreciate stability at speed.

 

For a little context, last year I skied on new Volkl RTM81's in size 176.  It carved like it was on rail and I loved the ski but it didn't have any camber so in search of the perfect ski, I want one that has camber.  I also do not feel the need for Rocker as I am rarely in powder- occasionally some crud and almost always on piste. The new Volkl RTM for 2016 now has camber and rocker.  Since my RTM had Rocker, my usable edge was probably more that of a 170 than the indicated 176.  A 173 fully cambered ski seems about right.  183 seems a bit long.  Again, come on Kastle- make a 178 already!

 

Ideally, in this case, I think I would want to go with a 173 just to simply get more maneuverability out of it.  I'm sure it would carve amazingly well.  I've read in here where some 6'1" 200 lb. guys said the 183 was border line long. Also, since I am light, I don't think I need such a long ski.  I want to be able to bend it and also make nice tight, smaller radius turns- more common for me on crowded hills than long GS turns.  

 

The shop said they would happily exchange it BUT, and it's a big but, they are completely out of 2015 173's and not getting anymore 2015's in.  I would have to spend ~40% more which I don't want to do.  I also do not want a Demo pair which are just slightly less than what I paid for these.  So do I stick with a great deal, on slightly long skis or return them for a full refund and try to find another pair somewhere?  Anyone have any lightly used MX83's in 173? I would welcome the chance to hear your thoughts.  


Thanks & "start" to think snow!

post #2 of 10

My $0.02 (which you can ignore)....

I would go 173.  I bought a pair of MX78's last year in 168.  I'm 5'8" but 175 lbs dressed. I ski in the east and am used to the terrain you describe.  I am completely happy with the maneuverability and stability of the 168's.  I believe Kastle's ski "long".  

For another view, you might search Epic for Dawgcatching's reviews/comments on the the MX83's.  He's roughly the same dimensions as you and I believe he skis the 173's.  

 

I have no problems with very lightly used demo's...but how to play the exchange is up to you.

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your post and the problem is- I agree with you.  :beercheer:  I wish I didn't!  Ironically, I use to ski 204's back in the day of straight skis.  I like the shorter shape skis.  

post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by SkiPro1 View Post

I am struggling to finalize my decision on which ski length I need.  I recently got a great deal on new pair of 2015 pair Kastle MX83's w/Attack13 bindings.  I was on the fence but ordered the 183's.  When they arrived, they seemed huge- almost exactly to, or 1cm below the very top of my head.  For some reason Kastle only odd sizing e.g., 163, 173 and 183- there is no 176/8 like most other skis which makes this all that much harder.



 



I am 6'1" but only about 165.  I know weight is a very important factor.  I am a very strong intermediate skier.  I ski fairly aggressively and technically.  I hesitate to call myself an expert because most who do, are not. (;



I will ski primarily on the crowded, hard packed snow/ice of the east coast.



I primarily will use this ski in search of the elusive perfect carve.  I'm not into bumps, trees or jumps.



I don't need to go very fast but will occasionally and I do appreciate stability at speed.



 



For a little context, last year I skied on new Volkl RTM81's in size 176.  It carved like it was on rail and I loved the ski but it didn't have any camber so in search of the perfect ski, I want one that has camber.  I also do not feel the need for Rocker as I am rarely in powder- occasionally some crud and almost always on piste. The new Volkl RTM for 2016 now has camber and rocker.  Since my RTM had Rocker, my usable edge was probably more that of a 170 than the indicated 176.  A 173 fully cambered ski seems about right.  183 seems a bit long.  Again, come on Kastle- make a 178 already!



 



Ideally, in this case, I think I would want to go with a 173 just to simply get more maneuverability out of it.  I'm sure it would carve amazingly well.  I've read in here where some 6'1" 200 lb. guys said the 183 was border line long. Also, since I am light, I don't think I need such a long ski.  I want to be able to bend it and also make nice tight, smaller radius turns- more common for me on crowded hills than long GS turns.  



 



The shop said they would happily exchange it BUT, and it's a big but, they are completely out of 2015 173's and not getting anymore 2015's in.  I would have to spend ~40% more which I don't want to do.  I also do not want a Demo pair which are just slightly less than what I paid for these.  So do I stick with a great deal, on slightly long skis or return them for a full refund and try to find another pair somewhere?  Anyone have any lightly used MX83's in 173? I would welcome the chance to hear your thoughts.  





Thanks & "start" to think snow!


 




Another $0.02. I am 5'4", about 145 and 53 yrs old. I have been skiing a Rossi B3 (the gray one) in a 183 length since 03. Before that, I skied a 183 Volant Chubb for a decade. If you like the way longer boards ski, get the longer boards. If you are more comfortable on the shorter lengths, get the shorter ones. It's all about what you are comfortable on. Try not to over complicate it. It's not rocket science. Whatever gives you the best ride. That is what we are all after anyway.
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by SkiPro1 View Post
 

I am struggling to finalize my decision on which ski length I need.  I recently got a great deal on new pair of 2015 pair Kastle MX83's w/Attack13 bindings.  I was on the fence but ordered the 183's.  When they arrived, they seemed huge- almost exactly to, or 1cm below the very top of my head.  For some reason Kastle only odd sizing e.g., 163, 173 and 183- there is no 176/8 like most other skis which makes this all that much harder.

 

 

 

I am 6'1" but only about 165.  I know weight is a very important factor.  I am a very strong intermediate skier.  I ski fairly aggressively and technically.  I hesitate to call myself an expert because most who do, are not. (;

 

I will ski primarily on the crowded, hard packed snow/ice of the east coast.

 

I primarily will use this ski in search of the elusive perfect carve.  I'm not into bumps, trees or jumps.

 

I don't need to go very fast but will occasionally and I do appreciate stability at speed.

 

 

 

For a little context, last year I skied on new Volkl RTM81's in size 176.  It carved like it was on rail and I loved the ski but it didn't have any camber so in search of the perfect ski, I want one that has camber.  I also do not feel the need for Rocker as I am rarely in powder- occasionally some crud and almost always on piste. The new Volkl RTM for 2016 now has camber and rocker.  Since my RTM had Rocker, my usable edge was probably more that of a 170 than the indicated 176.  A 173 fully cambered ski seems about right.  183 seems a bit long.  Again, come on Kastle- make a 178 already!

 

 

 

Ideally, in this case, I think I would want to go with a 173 just to simply get more maneuverability out of it.  I'm sure it would carve amazingly well.  I've read in here where some 6'1" 200 lb. guys said the 183 was border line long. Also, since I am light, I don't think I need such a long ski.  I want to be able to bend it and also make nice tight, smaller radius turns- more common for me on crowded hills than long GS turns.  

 

 

 

The shop said they would happily exchange it BUT, and it's a big but, they are completely out of 2015 173's and not getting anymore 2015's in.  I would have to spend ~40% more which I don't want to do.  I also do not want a Demo pair which are just slightly less than what I paid for these.  So do I stick with a great deal, on slightly long skis or return them for a full refund and try to find another pair somewhere?  Anyone have any lightly used MX83's in 173? I would welcome the chance to hear your thoughts.  

 



Thanks & "start" to think snow!

 




Another $0.02. I am 5'4", about 145 and 53 yrs old. I have been skiing a Rossi B3 (the gray one) in a 183 length since 03. Before that, I skied a 183 Volant Chubb for a decade. If you like the way longer boards ski, get the longer boards. If you are more comfortable on the shorter lengths, get the shorter ones. It's all about what you are comfortable on. Try not to over complicate it. It's not rocket science. Whatever gives you the best ride. That is what we are all after anyway.

 

You mention you like tighter turns than GS style.   But, according to Kastle, in the MX83 the difference between the 173 and the 183 is only 2.5 meters -- the 173 has an 18m radius while the 183 has 20.5m radius.   Aren't they both in the GS range?

 

Would the RX12 suit your purposes better?  The 176 has a 16.5m radius and the 184 has an 18m radius.  Plus, unlike the MX they are pure front side...  Oh but wait!  Everybody wants an All Mountain ski.  They seem to be the politically correct one to ski on...

 

I'm 5'8", 160# and I love my 168cm RX12's on eastern hardpack -- except in slop (for which I am considering say an FX)...  It is a great ski without any speed limit (that I can find) and that does whatever it is I tell it to do. It especially likes to turn.  But it is demanding.  If you are a soccer dad or looking for a relaxing cruise down the hill forgiving of lapses in concentration, it is not your kind of ski.  It is like a woman:  if you give it attention it treats you well.  Ignore it and it dumps you in a heart beat. 

post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by SkiPro1 View Post
 

 

... or return them for a full refund and try to find another pair somewhere?  Anyone have any lightly used MX83's in 173? I would welcome the chance to hear your thoughts.  

 

You do want the 173cm, a "great deal" on the wrong length isn't a great deal in the end. I think Ski Essentials has a pair of 173 MX83, I'll bet if you gave them a call or email and told them your story they would work on a deal with you.

 

http://www.skiessentials.com/2015-kastle-mx83-skis.html

post #7 of 10

I think the 183cm would be the prefered length, especially at your height.  Unless they are extremely stiff or you are in very poor shape.  Especially for groomed snow carving.  I'll bet your Volkls are just as stiff if not stiffer.

post #8 of 10

Kastle MX's ski very long. 173 is what you should get.

post #9 of 10

Can you ski a men's GS ski from the mid '00's, which is a 185cm minimum with a 21m minimum radius?  Because this Kastle is going to be pretty close to that, probably considerably easier.  If not, looks like 173 is the way to go.

post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 

Big shout out to Whiteroom for the link- was able to get those 173's- price matched to boot!  Great group in here!

 

Thx. for all the great feedback and suggestions. :ski

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