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Anyone heard of the ski brand Renoun?

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http://renoun.com/collections/skis

 

A Vermont based company that claims to use a material in their skis that adapt to the conditions... What do you think?

post #2 of 24

No, has Exoticski written about them yet? 

post #3 of 24

I've heard of them — I thought in an Epic thread — and I saw somebody on a pair at Sunapee. I asked what he thought of them. "Fantastic!" he said.  

 

I sensed he was connected somehow to the company, perhaps as a friend, but I'm still intrigued by the ski.

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

Exoticski mentioned they'd review it back in March, but nothing came of it,

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The company is run by a recent college dropout who washes windows in the summer. I don't have an issue with that since often times this is the kind of background where innovation comes from. It seems the material is D3O, which is marketed as a flexible material that hardens upon impact, and then goes flexible again. Obviously, manufacturers are marketing D3O products for safety/impact protection (see one manufacturer of the product here: http://www.d3o.com/materials/how-d3o-technology-works/ ).    For skis?  We have all seen this new material movie before, with everything from space age products to concrete. Perhaps there is something there, but you will never know unless you can demo the product.

 

The idea is cool. Build a ski that is flexible in soft snow conditions, and stiffens when carving on hardpack.

 

Update:  Video is in this article  http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/04/13/new-ski-innovation/25731887/

 

 


Edited by quant2325 - 9/21/15 at 6:53am
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Stay tuned folks...we have been in contact with Cyrus Schenck and we will be visiting his shop and getting the details on his design and the D30 material incorporated in to the layup.

He has promised us some test skis this season, so we will get some honest reviews from a wide variety of testers of all abilities on how the ski actually feels in the real-world conditions of Vermont!

While the D30 dampening material is getting all the attention, we want to concentrate on the shaping and flex pattern of the flagship model and how the adaptive dampening ingredient might work with the geometry to create a unique personality in the ski.   His crew is intelligent and creative, and that's a great combo.  We will keep people posted just as soon as we get our hands on a test pair and talk to Cyrus in person about the design and components!  Winning an ISPO innovation award is not indicative of anything specific, but the use of a new material got the judges' attention, and ISPO sees a ton of different tech each year by a huge collection of companies...so we will see what it's really all about...

post #7 of 24

Me 55 year old skier, prefers woods, ungroomed, bumps and powder (when I can find it).  Primarily ski at MRG, Jay and make a trip out west once a year.  Ski 30 to 35 days per year. 

 

Was finishing a wet rainy turned cold icy week at Jay (2/5) and wanted to meet someone at the Tram House.  Approaching the building I saw that Renoun had a demo tent set up.  Cyrus adjusted a pair of their all-mountain ski for me to try.  Fast run on the boiler plate (Flyer Chair to Upper Goat to Lower Quai to Tram base) showed he's on to something.  They chattered less and provided more control than I was use to.  Then I tried the carving ski.  These were even better on frozen boiler plate.  While I ski the whole mountain, carving steeper icy slopes is not one of my skills.  These skis increased my control on these slopes to a good degree.  Not sure how the better dampening control would benefit the ski in other conditions.  I would need to demo for a longer time and in more variety than Jay was offering that day to know. 

 

Funny thing was he did not ask for any forms, ID or security (I had left my skis at a rack before approaching the tent).  I asked him about this afterward and he said he trusted people and if he lost a pair to theft he'd change how he runs his demos.

 

I just purchased some Powertrack 89 so I'm not in the market but if the price would come down (he quoted $1100 a pair) I'd consider them for Eastern hardpack.

post #8 of 24
Neat.

I don't know enough about the ski but would think ski components such as core material, sidewall material, etc all contribute to a ski's flex profile.

Can't quite see how a layer of polymer can change stiffness that much.
post #9 of 24

Not really stiffness more like a lively ski on softer smoother snow and a damp ski on harder more rutted snow.  It definitely works on the hard snow side of the theory.  I will need to demo it again in different conditions to comment on how it reacts to smoother softer snow conditions.

post #10 of 24

I have a review of them HERE. They are some of the best skis I have skied. 

post #11 of 24
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I have a review of them HERE. They are some of the best skis I have skied. 


Note, please: Phil knows what he's talking about.

post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

I have a review of them HERE. They are some of the best skis I have skied. 


Great minds think a like.

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by fisch2332 View Post
 

http://renoun.com/collections/skis

 

A Vermont based company that claims to use a material in their skis that adapt to the conditions... What do you think?

Phil wanted me to get on a pair at Mt. Rose.  I ran out of time, but hear amazing things. 

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We've gotten some time on the Endurance model (all-mountain) 98mm underfoot in Eastern hardpack and some powder conditions....we should have a full review in the next couple weeks (holding out for another fresh snow day and subsequent packed-powder / cut up condition testing)...and yes, the rumors are true.  Cyrus at Renoun has something very interesting going on.  In short, the Endurance is loose, playful and friendly at slower speeds and tigher terrain, yet can be called on to rail GS-like arcs on hardpack with authority and security without requiring super-human effort from the pilot.  Quicker than you think edge-to-edge for a 98mm all-mountain design, with good spunk and energy, but the most interesting behavior is the faster you go, the quieter the ski gets underfoot...very addicting.

 

This could be one of the class-leading all-mountain, "one ski to grab no matter what the day is like" kind of skis...we could ski this design pretty much anywhere all day except on the hardest of surfaces and the inspirational deep-powder days...which means pretty much every normal day.  The breadth of the excellent-performance envelope from the Endurance is very impressive and hard to find in any other model of ski we can thnk of.  Super impressive ski from a very intelligent designer with great engineering sense and a passion for good ski behavior.  We will be swapping out the Endurance for a pair of the Z90 carving skis this month...so stay tuned!

 

As far as the "HDT" material used in the ski goes...I played with a wad of the stuff (Cyrus carries a little tin of it around to show off to curious people), which feels just like Silly Putty (but a little thinner), so it will sort of ooze through your fingers a little if you let it sit in your hand for a bit....and you can push your finger through it slowly with no real effort (very soft...nearly gooey).  Wrap a wad of it around your finger, lay your finger on a table ahd bang it hard with your fist or hard object, and it isolates the impact to your finger...you never really feel your finger being wacked...the material "stiffens" on hard impact...yet remains pliable and gooey when prodded gently and slowly.  Renoun has a video somewhere of a beer bottle wrapped with a layer of the HDT being wacked with a hammer...no damage.  The material is manufactured by a couple different companies...each formula being roughly equivalent in their behaviors. 

 

Below is a pic of the Endurance model showing the little strips of the HDT (about the width of a pencil) inlaid into the wood core.

 


Edited by ExoticSkis - 2/22/16 at 5:27pm
post #15 of 24
I saw him at smugglers the day before presidents day. I did not try them, but my friend did, the 98 mm all mtn ski. The conditions were very firm with marble ice everywhere, the high was -9 °F. The guy that tried them has got almost 50 years on skis, and at expert level, skis on Avenger 82Ti, and was amazed by the way the 98mm Renoun handled the conditions in comparison. He actually seriously considered a purchase on the spot, and is very frugal by nature.

He is an interesting young guy to talk to, and very personable. I regret not trying them, but he did give me some stickers. He also requested that my friend give him a detailed description of how they felt.
post #16 of 24

read the about renowned founder, ISPO gold award, Clarkson engineer - enough said !

post #17 of 24
Got first runs on Cyrus's 180cm Renoun Z77 Proto yesterday at Killington (no one there...full slope widths available for speed testing  :):)
 
  • Tyrolia PowerRail SPD12 adjustable position bindings (low-rise...no plate) mounted -1cm from the mark after fussing with it a bit.
  • Conditions: Firm Spring Cream Cheese with hardpack underlayer...flats to steeps
 
First impressions: 
  • Silky engagement...had me hooked on the first turn.  Addicting.
  • Super-sweet feel and control underfoot, begs to be driven into steeper and steeper edge angles...ended up doing high-intensity hip-dragging arcs all over the place...lots and lots of confidence the harder you press them...but easy to handle.
  • Race-like grip with elegant turn initiation and finish without the Herculean effort of driving a race ski.
  • Excellent zing out of the turn if you load the ski up and let it fly across and down the hill.
  • Ski patrol yelled at me to slow down, even with no one on the hill
  • Not as much pronounced effect felt from the HDT as in the Z90 or Endurance model, but the ski was quiet and silky, even at high speeds.
  • Measures 177cm tip-to-tail straight tape pull
  • As good, (if not better than) race carvers in the 75-80mm waist category from the "Big 10" companies....perhaps easier to ski and less demanding
  • Feels pretty true-to-length when you get underway
  • The more of the entire ski chassis you use, the better it gets...engage it from tip to tail
  • Out-of-the-wrapper tune was perfect...no desire to change it.
  • Glossy topsheet (Z90 will get this treatment also)
  • I wanted to buy this test pair after 1 run (that says something right there)...this could be my frontside ski of choice....only real competition might be the DPS Cassiar 85 T2 which had the same effect on me (shows my bias in ski behavior)...other carvers have similar performance, biut seem to demand more from the pilot (Elan XTi, Blizzard SLC...etc.) and might not have as wide a terrain envelope as the Z77

 

Waiting on some comments from other testers and another day on these skis to make sure I was not just having a unicorns-and-rainbows day with skewed impressions (some testing days just seem like every ski works great...need to do a reality check...that's why we like to test over a bunch of weeks in various conditions...not just issue a full review after one day...).
 
First day out = really impresive....shockingly impressive ski design for a 25 year old working out of an incubator office environment in Burlington, Vermont.
 
Stay tuned.  Full review to come...
 
 
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RENOUN Z77 (left) and Z90 (right)
 
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RENOUN Z77 Prototypes
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post #18 of 24
How does the construction compare to Kastle and Stockli at a similar price point?
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I tried the Z90 at Aspen in Feb last season. Philpug had a pair from Cyrus. We were staying in a house in Aspen for the epic/pugski gathering. Draght guy and Fairtomiddlin were the other "testers" that day. I didn't actually think I 'd be testing skis that day. Sometime in the morning word was spreading about this ski. Draght guy and FtM ski a lot of skis and had just been testing at SIA. (Where they were drooling over the Blossom Whiteout). I only mention that because when they rave about a ski there's background there. They ski way more skis than I do.

When we ran into him on the Z90, Draght guy proceeded to unleash a profanity laden description of the ski extolling its qualities. Yes, he really liked it. He was emphatic we had to try it. Ftm had next dibs. His review style is more subdued, but was laced with a lot of "Man...". Well now I really had to try it.

One run and you know this thing is something special. First off, it's fun. The size we had was the 174cm. It feels light, playful and has quite a range of comfort zones. You do not need to crank this thing up to get it to perform. If you do, it'll handle it. It feels quick and light to turn but if you want to do gs style crankers it's ok. I got the skis at lunch at the top of Ajax. I was headed to Buttermilk to check it out for once. Just one run down to the bus and I was hooked.

There was some powder to be had 6-8 inches. This is where I'd say there was a negative. It wasn't great in there. The consensus amongst all was the mount was 2-3 cm forward. I know Cyrus has taken this feedback and changed the current version. That's a fair amount and would have a great effect on soft snow performance.
Despite that, the glow was not off the ski. That's another sign you've got something special. In the bus out I texted Phil:
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Uh.... Got an early flight out. I'll return the Renouns at the end of season? Thnks!!
Fcking awesome ski. Can ski it with pinky toes. Mount is a little too forward. Need more research...:-)

Ah..I'd forgotten that part! Thank goodness for notes, that's an important detail. Yes, by pinky toes I meant the ski responds to very light input if you want it too. The comment was about the feeling I could just press pinky toes and ski the ski very accurately. No big moves or force needed. In a ski that can also handle at speed that's astounding. It also shows the wide range of finesse to power skier types that would enjoy this ski. I would say it's probably not for the Uber mach schneller. But for a light ski it has a surpising smoothness. Not the silky heavy damping of say a cheater gs ski, but excellent for its type.

Construction compared to Kastle?
On the rack you would not really notice this ski. If you were looking to steal skis, it would be one of the last unless you knew what it was. The Mx looks more substantially built But they are hugely prone to top sheet chipping. I acquired a pair that was decimated. I adore the Mx83 and skied that the next day at Snowmass. Simply love that ski. I would never say about that ski though "can ski with pinky toes" even though the MX83 is a precise ski. It just isn't that light and playful.

So the Renoun Z90 is a ski that really has a wide range of users. I would not hesitate to recommend this ski to lighter or older skiers. That's amazing since a big heavy guy like Draght Guy, who's more of an '11' skier, enjoys the same ski.
You really need to get on a pair...
Just fun.
Edited by Tog - 12/20/16 at 10:18pm
post #20 of 24

Here I am, in Southwestern NH, and Cyrus himself has offered to set me up with a demo, and I haven't taken him up on it yet. Sheesh. What am I thinking?

post #21 of 24
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I was headed to Buttermilk to check it out for once. Just one run down to the bus and I was hooked.

 

You weren't still on those at Buttermilk, were you?

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I was headed to Buttermilk to check it out for once. Just one run down to the bus and I was hooked.

You weren't still on those at Buttermilk, were you?
When I met you guys I think so, yes. Might have switched by then but pretty sure not. In fact when I skied the circle I wasn't quite sure how it was going to go on that ski having never done it with them. So pretty sure it was the Renoun.
post #23 of 24

IF there are any of these around Utah to demo ever I'd be curious to give them a shot!

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When I met you guys I think so, yes. Might have switched by then but pretty sure not. In fact when I skied the circle I wasn't quite sure how it was going to go on that ski having never done it with them. So pretty sure it was the Renoun.

 

Cool... wish I had realized what they were. It's a really neat concept - though simple at the same time. Non-newtonian fluids are amazing. Even cornstarch and water is fun to play with...

 

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