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Wondered what these guys looked like with NO gates...

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oakBu3DR3oU

 

... and give or take; not a pole-plant in the bunch...   ps: am waiting for ' I like them BUT..."


Edited by g-force - 9/19/15 at 9:52pm
post #2 of 20

Umm... technical difficulties.  Your link seems to come back to itself.

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for that. copied and pasted from FB.   Have to find out how to post the opening pic like you did..Thanks for that.

post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oakBu3DR3oU

... and give or take; not a pole-plant in the bunch...   ps: am waiting for ' I like them BUT..."

 

There are pole plants in that bunch.

post #5 of 20
And no inside leg extension until the new edges are engaged.
post #6 of 20

  Cool at 4:19 when Pinterault (I think?) pretends he's skiing a hairpin :-)

 

  zenny

post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

There are pole plants in that bunch.

No kidding... all of them matter of fact.. Touch/plant, whatever. smile.gif
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

I was tongue in cheek about No pole plants... especially after decades of Ski schoolers and all the fffluffff from the dawn of time about timing mechanisms and reaching down hill and hurling between pole and tip;etc.

I have No Critique of these guys at all.

Question on other topic: 

Anyone got any vids of decent ski racers in some sort of "Super-Slalom" ?

I seem to remember one and it kinda came out of those Four Event ( DH,SG, GS,SL ) celeb races for locals in the Euro-zones.

You know like: Super-g is to Downhill what Super-Slalom is to Giant Slalom ? Mebbe 15-19 meter arcs.

post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post
 

I was tongue in cheek about No pole plants... especially after decades of Ski schoolers and all the fffluffff from the dawn of time about timing mechanisms and reaching down hill and hurling between pole and tip;etc.

I have No Critique of these guys at all.

Question on other topic: 

Anyone got any vids of decent ski racers in some sort of "Super-Slalom" ?

I seem to remember one and it kinda came out of those Four Event ( DH,SG, GS,SL ) celeb races for locals in the Euro-zones.

You know like: Super-g is to Downhill what Super-Slalom is to Giant Slalom ? Mebbe 15-19 meter arcs.

 I think what you are thinking of is a modified GS.

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

 

I have No Critique of these guys at all.

They are too athletic.

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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

 

Super-g is to Downhill what Super-Slalom is to Giant Slalom ? Mebbe 15-19 meter arcs.

What is the arc for PS, panel slalom?

 

post #11 of 20

This is not World Cup racers just out skiing for fun, they're running imagined gates in that vid.  They're training slalom turns, for slalom racing, specifically.  Notice almost every turn is pivoted.  When you're just out free skiing you don't have to pivot this much, you can usually do more relaxed, energy and movement efficient arc to arc turns.

post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

And no inside leg extension until the new edges are engaged.

 

Actually, Steve, with the pivoting happening here, there's quite a bit of extension prior to engagement.  Has to be, or the skier would be in a very weak stance to withstand the sudden spike of forces that comes with at engagement when pivoting.  If you're noticing the lack of old inside leg extension prior to edge angle neutral, yep, spot on.  That's what generally happens in pivot transitions, they're usually more of a retractions type transition.

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by zentune View Post
 

  Cool at 4:19 when Pinterault (I think?) pretends he's skiing a hairpin :-)

 

  zenny

 

Nice catch, coach!  Only a racer/coach would likely see that and know what they were looking at.

post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post
 
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

And no inside leg extension until the new edges are engaged.

 

Actually,, with the pivoting happening here, there's quite a bit of extension prior to engagement.  Has to be, or the skier would be in a very weak stance to withstand the sudden spike of forces that comes with at engagement when pivoting.  If you're noticing the lack of old inside leg extension prior to edge angle neutral, yep, spot on.  That's what generally happens in pivot transitions, they're usually more of a retractions type transition.

 

Well to my eye the inside leg stayed quite flexed and bent I didn't see it straighten out until quite late.  Not trying to say that ILE is a bad thing btw, I love using it at times - just an observation.

 

btw appreciate just SkiMangoJazz rather than my name being used.  (or SMJ :)

post #15 of 20
I agree SMJ, a lot more emPHAsis on OLR as opposed to ILE. IMHO, it doesn't matter as much if the edges are engaged or not to make the distinction, what is more significant is whether or not the bos/cm have swapped sides and whether or not there has been a release of the old turn(s)....because once that happens, the ski/foot/leg in question is no longer the "inside". So yes, there is extension after Ricks "neutral", and yes the edges are often not engaged, but again I see more of an OLR focus here....

zenny
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

 

Well to my eye the inside leg stayed quite flexed and bent I didn't see it straighten out until quite late.  Not trying to say that ILE is a bad thing btw, I love using it at times - just an observation.

 

 

 

This response tells me you totally did not understand what I wrote.  I think you're probably missing the distinction between engagement and edge angle neutral.  Watch the first two skiers in the video again.  Because of the pivot they're doing, engagement is not happening until after the pivot, with their skis already pointing down the falline (give or take a few degrees).  Take a look at their outside leg at that point, it's as extended as it ever gets.  This is what I'm attempting to explain here.  When you pivot, you want to do the bulk of your extending prior to engagement.  

In regards to ILE, that involves extension prior to edge angle neutral, and I said in my post that in regards to that you are right, these are retraction transitions, which is the norm for pivot transitions.  ILE will be used/observed more commonly in arc to arc transitions.  

post #17 of 20
That's interesting Rick, I never really thought about that but I can see where you're coming from. I think I would prefer to think of it as reaching full extension around the fall line, whether you pivot there or not, or pivot part of the way or all of the way.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post
 

This is not World Cup racers just out skiing for fun, they're running imagined gates in that vid.  They're training slalom turns, for slalom racing, specifically.  Notice almost every turn is pivoted.  When you're just out free skiing you don't have to pivot this much, you can usually do more relaxed, energy and movement efficient arc to arc turns.

 

No doubt. Those super compressed pivoty transitions are awesome to watch at quarter speed. I would think that only a skier with the power, quickness and accuracy of a WC skier can look anywhere near as good on a course like this. It is very interesting to see a modern day slalom turn without cross blocking. It is a better short turn model for technical free skiers.

post #19 of 20

I always liked this one - stubies are awesome!

 

post #20 of 20

if you're looking for WC SL free-skiing, I like this one better as a model for free ski SL turns - those guys above were just warming up I think, not free skiing - warming up is different. You're getting a feel for the ski, snow, range of movement, warm up joints and muscles etc. no real thought to technical skiing , just messing around... of course, at that level :)

 

 

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