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Poll Results: Favorite Review site/publication, please vote for your favorite three or so. (in alphabetical order)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 52% of voters (63)
    Blistergear
  • 63% of voters (76)
    Epicski
  • 5% of voters (7)
    Freeskier
  • 16% of voters (20)
    On The Snow
  • 7% of voters (9)
    Powder
  • 38% of voters (46)
    Realskiers
  • 22% of voters (27)
    Ski Canada
  • 10% of voters (12)
    Ski Magazine
  • 9% of voters (11)
    Skiing Magazine
  • 10% of voters (12)
    Other (please mention in a post)
120 Total Votes  
post #271 of 292
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

since "inextricably" is such a great word,  I will also use it....


todays ski's are a true symphony of components, traits and characteristics that are inextricably linked. you can not simply look at width, tr, side cut anymore.  

I don't think they were talking about skis. wink.gif
post #272 of 292
Zombie skis, where can i get some.
post #273 of 292
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post


I don't think they were talking about skis. wink.gif

 

ehh, women, ski's, same thing no?  

post #274 of 292
Can we get a 'commensurate' ?
post #275 of 292
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

ehh, women, ski's, same thing no?  
No, not really,
post #276 of 292
It's a joke but we had really moved past that.
post #277 of 292
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Originally Posted by DesiredUsername View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

ehh, women, ski's, same thing no?  
No, not really,


Skis don't nag you.

skis do what they're told.

skis let you ride them whenever you want

hmm.  I better stop there

post #278 of 292
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

FWIW - prolly not very much - I most enjoy Blister reviews that are either critical of the ski, even if I like it, or at least a different take on it than most other sites. Your reviews of the old S7 and Super 7, for instance, were both refreshing and useful, because I could use them to calibrate against the far more positive reviews elsewhere. (Disclosure: Owned a S7, found it neither as problematic as you folks, nor as unproblematic as other sources.) And yep, your cambered Mantra review, which I thought was right on the money, was a nice counterbalance to the dominant discourse over here. Haven't skied a GPO, but got curious after your comments, went back and read all your Praxis reviews. Didn't find a particular bias, some you liked a lot better than others. I suspect that the tune and general design motivations (pro competition bloodlines) for the GPO and MVP may have influenced some of your reactions.

 

Overall, I'd say your general review structure, breaking performance down by terrain, having return visits by other reviewers, lends itself to balance. As a light male who doesn't especially relate to freestyle concerns - and realize many others do - I particularly value alternative reviews by some of your women with racing backgrounds. But I don't think that means you need to start testing 78 mm carvers. Plenty of sites that already do that. 

 

On the other hand, if you did a content analysis of the words used say between Blister's founding and 2012, and then 2013-2015, I'd bet you'd find a positive trend; Blister's version of grade inflation. Could just be that in the past couple of years there are no more mediocre skis. We often say that here. Or could be subtle, even unconscious pressure on you from ski marketing departments to find something nice to say if you want a new pair next season.

 

This is the threshold problem. Professional schools have a threshold performance; get past that and you move on. No grades. So every ski past your benchmark gets superlatives. Why not? Because pretty soon, the superlatives lose their value. If every ski is well above average in every condition, then why bother to visit Blister (or Epic) to differentiate them when you want to purchase something? I could sort freestyle and park from freeride, and then toss a coin, and do fine.

 

One solution is to curve everything. 

 

Think about it. You could announce, like some of the Ivy's recently, that from now on, you're only using superlatives for the top 20% of the skis you test, even if they're all, like Lake Wobegone's kids, above average. :D 

 

Apologies for interrupting the 'Are Women Like Skis' debate - but I trust you all will get that sorted out.

Thanks for the feedback, @beyond, and for taking the time to read back over those reviews. (Thanks also to @Finndog and @jimintokyo for your earlier comments - much appreciated).

 

Beyond raises the question of grade inflation - which is something I take pretty seriously, given that I've said that we strive to accurately articulate the nuances of a ski's strengths and weaknesses - especially against relevant competitors in its class, and also taking into account various skier types (which I talked about in a previous post.). First, remember above, I said that I thought it was best to judge us on our particular (actual) reviews rather than on some more general sense of what we do? Given that, I find it interesting - and am very glad - that while Beyond wonders / worries about grade inflation, when he went and actually read all of our reviews of one company's skis, he says that he did not find any grade inflation. That matters to me.

If any of you are really, really bored, I'd encourage you to do the same thing with all of our reviews of Moment skis - a company we are said to "like" - i.e., "they really like Moment skis." (And thanks @Finndog for stating that quite fairly in your comment above.) But to this point -- and again, if you're really bored -- I'd welcome you to read all of our Moment reviews. Check out our first review of the Governor. See our park reviewers' take on the PB&J as an all-mountain "park" ski. See our recent reviews of the Tahoe and the Tallac. I am on record saying that I prefer the 13/14 Belafonte to the updated Belafonte. Check out Will Brown's review of the Deathwish. I will be very surprised if, after actually reading those reviews, you'd still be worried about grade inflation.

Our only goal is accuracy: (1) to correctly detail the nuances of how the ski does & doesn't work, and (2) to give a whole range of reader enough information to determine whether this particular ski would be a good fit for them. Of course, we need to keep working to become more and more accurate, but that is our only goal. People's perceptions do matter to me, but ultimately we can't control those. So we're not going to start (artificially) criticizing more harshly so people we'll think we're more "objective," nor will we praise skis more than we think they deserve, just to avoid angering anybody. Instead, we'll aim for accuracy, difficult and subjective as that may be. (At the top of our "About Us" page, since the day we launched Blister, I put this quote from Thoreau: "Say what you have to say, not what you ought." If I'm sensitive about grade inflation, it's probably because that would be a sign that we're not living up to that maxim, one that has been important to me from day 1.)

One last general thought: the idea that our reviews are either "positive / good" or "negative / critical." People like binaries for good reasons - thinking is tiring! - but when reviewing a ski, I don't think "Is it good?" or "Is it bad?" That would be such a simplistic way to approach a review that I wouldn't trust anybody who thought / worked that way. A good reviewer would be able to tease out the relative strengths and weaknesses of a given ski, in different terrain and conditions, for different skier types. But that takes time and a lot of attention.

Anyway, I really appreciate your feedback, beyond, and I certainly regard your questions / criticisms as constructive. And I've said it before, but I still love that you are willing to put stock in our women's reviews. They are smart, they can certainly ski, so if they happen to be closer in weight to you, then you're wise to hear them out. I certainly trust them.

post #279 of 292
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Originally Posted by JFE24 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

FWIW - prolly not very much - I most enjoy Blister reviews that are either critical of the ski, even if I like it, or at least a different take on it than most other sites. Your reviews of the old S7 and Super 7, for instance, were both refreshing and useful, because I could use them to calibrate against the far more positive reviews elsewhere. (Disclosure: Owned a S7, found it neither as problematic as you folks, nor as unproblematic as other sources.) And yep, your cambered Mantra review, which I thought was right on the money, was a nice counterbalance to the dominant discourse over here. Haven't skied a GPO, but got curious after your comments, went back and read all your Praxis reviews. Didn't find a particular bias, some you liked a lot better than others. I suspect that the tune and general design motivations (pro competition bloodlines) for the GPO and MVP may have influenced some of your reactions.

 

Overall, I'd say your general review structure, breaking performance down by terrain, having return visits by other reviewers, lends itself to balance. As a light male who doesn't especially relate to freestyle concerns - and realize many others do - I particularly value alternative reviews by some of your women with racing backgrounds. But I don't think that means you need to start testing 78 mm carvers. Plenty of sites that already do that. 

 

On the other hand, if you did a content analysis of the words used say between Blister's founding and 2012, and then 2013-2015, I'd bet you'd find a positive trend; Blister's version of grade inflation. Could just be that in the past couple of years there are no more mediocre skis. We often say that here. Or could be subtle, even unconscious pressure on you from ski marketing departments to find something nice to say if you want a new pair next season.

 

This is the threshold problem. Professional schools have a threshold performance; get past that and you move on. No grades. So every ski past your benchmark gets superlatives. Why not? Because pretty soon, the superlatives lose their value. If every ski is well above average in every condition, then why bother to visit Blister (or Epic) to differentiate them when you want to purchase something? I could sort freestyle and park from freeride, and then toss a coin, and do fine.

 

One solution is to curve everything. 

 

Think about it. You could announce, like some of the Ivy's recently, that from now on, you're only using superlatives for the top 20% of the skis you test, even if they're all, like Lake Wobegone's kids, above average. :D 

 

Apologies for interrupting the 'Are Women Like Skis' debate - but I trust you all will get that sorted out.

Thanks for the feedback, @beyond, and for taking the time to read back over those reviews. (Thanks also to @Finndog and @jimintokyo for your earlier comments - much appreciated).

 

Beyond raises the question of grade inflation - which is something I take pretty seriously, given that I've said that we strive to accurately articulate the nuances of a ski's strengths and weaknesses - especially against relevant competitors in its class, and also taking into account various skier types (which I talked about in a previous post.). First, remember above, I said that I thought it was best to judge us on our particular (actual) reviews rather than on some more general sense of what we do? Given that, I find it interesting - and am very glad - that while Beyond wonders / worries about grade inflation, when he went and actually read all of our reviews of one company's skis, he says that he did not find any grade inflation. That matters to me.

If any of you are really, really bored, I'd encourage you to do the same thing with all of our reviews of Moment skis - a company we are said to "like" - i.e., "they really like Moment skis." (And thanks @Finndog for stating that quite fairly in your comment above.) But to this point -- and again, if you're really bored -- I'd welcome you to read all of our Moment reviews. Check out our first review of the Governor. See our park reviewers' take on the PB&J as an all-mountain "park" ski. See our recent reviews of the Tahoe and the Tallac. I am on record saying that I prefer the 13/14 Belafonte to the updated Belafonte. Check out Will Brown's review of the Deathwish. I will be very surprised if, after actually reading those reviews, you'd still be worried about grade inflation.

Our only goal is accuracy: (1) to correctly detail the nuances of how the ski does & doesn't work, and (2) to give a whole range of reader enough information to determine whether this particular ski would be a good fit for them. Of course, we need to keep working to become more and more accurate, but that is our only goal. People's perceptions do matter to me, but ultimately we can't control those. So we're not going to start (artificially) criticizing more harshly so people we'll think we're more "objective," nor will we praise skis more than we think they deserve, just to avoid angering anybody. Instead, we'll aim for accuracy, difficult and subjective as that may be. (At the top of our "About Us" page, since the day we launched Blister, I put this quote from Thoreau: "Say what you have to say, not what you ought." If I'm sensitive about grade inflation, it's probably because that would be a sign that we're not living up to that maxim, one that has been important to me from day 1.)

One last general thought: the idea that our reviews are either "positive / good" or "negative / critical." People like binaries for good reasons - thinking is tiring! - but when reviewing a ski, I don't think "Is it good?" or "Is it bad?" That would be such a simplistic way to approach a review that I wouldn't trust anybody who thought / worked that way. A good reviewer would be able to tease out the relative strengths and weaknesses of a given ski, in different terrain and conditions, for different skier types. But that takes time and a lot of attention.

Anyway, I really appreciate your feedback, beyond, and I certainly regard your questions / criticisms as constructive. And I've said it before, but I still love that you are willing to put stock in our women's reviews. They are smart, they can certainly ski, so if they happen to be closer in weight to you, then you're wise to hear them out. I certainly trust them.

I search every review I can find on skis. I really like to dial in to information. I even use Google Translate to look at European tests. In all of my Google searches I have never seen a review from Blister. I would assume you do not pay the search engine. I only found you because of this thread and I will say after reading the information on your website I will be a member.

post #280 of 292

I’m in the mainstream camp, Epic and Blister are the best for the way I use reviews:

 

1. Decide my old skis don’t do work anymore - what I have is worn out or that my skiing ambitions have changed (I will ski off-piste more this year!)

 

2. Read the magazine comparisons and threads – what are magazines talking about, what skis keep getting mentioned on Epic?

 

3. Narrow it down to a short list

 

4. Read reviews for specific skis. Try to triangulate from the reviews: This guy weighs less than me and says… or this guy is an expert and I’m not so… or I'm demoing this year’s model and reviews say it differs from older models, or I'm demoing the longer size or the wider version of the same design... (I mostly buy used or left over demo gear and don’t have many demo opportunities)

 

5. Rationalize my choice by finding more reviews, from any source, for the ski I want that confirm my biases. If not, go back to step 2 and look for more candidates

 

6. Buy something similar that is in my budget

 

It would be nice if there was a “How to read a ski review” post, similar to the “Boot Fitting:  Which Boot Will Work For Me”-- something that could help with the triangulation challenge.

post #281 of 292

I just (yesterday) looked into this year's reviews on RealSkier.  They're quite well done.  Over the past 3-4 years, RS has tweaked and gradually upgraded the format and content of their reviews.  This year's are insightful and even a bit entertaining.  

post #282 of 292
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I just (yesterday) looked into this year's reviews on RealSkier.  They're quite well done.  Over the past 3-4 years, RS has tweaked and gradually upgraded the format and content of their reviews.  This year's are insightful and even a bit entertaining.  


RS (and I'm a regular subscriber there) has become little by little the same useless ski review tool  most of the ski magazines and commercially related sites are. I had a chance to share my opinion with mister Hogan on a couple of occasions and I told him that I will stop paying him the annual subscription fee  since I find no more value in this kind of reviews. (on a side note) : Earlier in this thread several of my posts as well as posts of other members were removed from the thread  from  people who are no more important factors  on Epic so I intend to re post them a little later in order to continue the artificially interrupted discussion.

post #283 of 292
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post
 


RS (and I'm a regular subscriber there) has become little by little the same useless ski review tool  most of the ski magazines and commercially related sites are. I had a chance to share my opinion with mister Hogan on a couple of occasions and I told him that I will stop paying him the annual subscription fee  since I find no more value in this kind of reviews. (on a side note) : Earlier in this thread several of my posts as well as posts of other members were removed from the thread  from  people who are no more important factors  on Epic so I intend to re post them a little later in order to continue the artificially interrupted discussion.


Have you ever considered some of the SSRI's? They might do wonders for your anger management. 

post #284 of 292
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Have you ever considered some of the SSRI's? They might do wonders for your anger management. 


I don't need a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor since I have absolutely no anger to manage here. All I said was that 2 persons ( recently discussed a lot on a different thread) removed some of my posts here for absolutely no particular reason at all.

post #285 of 292

This week the first issue of the Blistergear review mag arrived.  It's well done enough in the ski photo department alone to become a collector's item perhaps.   Most of the material is available online through the site, but having it in one place - tangibly, just flip the pages - makes it much easier to absorb, for me.  Especially good are the ski comparison tables, after each category of ski.  What a great way of comparing!

 

Well done, guys, @JFE24

 

After Epic, you have been consistently my next favorite review site.  I got and appreciate a pair of Rossi Sickles and may still get either the Moment Bibby Pros or the 0n3P Billy Goats - or maybe Volkl Katanas too, possibly - in large part thanks to your descriptions.  I have a pair of 110 ON3P Jeffreys, but now I wonder how it compares to the 114 Jeffrey, because of you again.  I wish more brands sent more of their skis to you, which hopefully will happen, now that you put out a great annual gear magazine, unlike any going.  

 

 :D 

post #286 of 292
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

It's a joke but we had really moved past that.

 

You never got a chance to use 'invidious' :(

post #287 of 292
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

You never got a chance to use 'invidious' :(

saving that word up to use on that new site.......  ;)  

post #288 of 292
...... he said, invidiously.
post #289 of 292
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Originally Posted by ski otter View Post

This week the first issue of the Blistergear review mag arrived.  It's well done enough in the ski photo department alone to become a collector's item perhaps.   Most of the material is available online through the site, but having it in one place - tangibly, just flip the pages - makes it much easier to absorb, for me.  Especially good are the ski comparison tables, after each category of ski.  What a great way of comparing!

Well done, guys, @JFE24


After Epic, you have been consistently my next favorite review site.  I got and appreciate a pair of Rossi Sickles and may still get either the Moment Bibby Pros or the 0n3P Billy Goats - or maybe Volkl Katanas too, possibly - in large part thanks to your descriptions.  I have a pair of 110 ON3P Jeffreys, but now I wonder how it compares to the 114 Jeffrey, because of you again.  I wish more brands sent more of their skis to you, which hopefully will happen, now that you put out a great annual gear magazine, unlike any going.  

 biggrin.gif  

Do you get it only as part of a Blister subscription, or can it be bought separately? Sounds like year round coffee table duty to me...
post #290 of 292
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Originally Posted by ski otter View Post
 

This week the first issue of the Blistergear review mag arrived.  It's well done enough in the ski photo department alone to become a collector's item perhaps.   Most of the material is available online through the site, but having it in one place - tangibly, just flip the pages - makes it much easier to absorb, for me.  Especially good are the ski comparison tables, after each category of ski.  What a great way of comparing!

 

Well done, guys, @JFE24

 

After Epic, you have been consistently my next favorite review site.  I got and appreciate a pair of Rossi Sickles and may still get either the Moment Bibby Pros or the 0n3P Billy Goats - or maybe Volkl Katanas too, possibly - in large part thanks to your descriptions.  I have a pair of 110 ON3P Jeffreys, but now I wonder how it compares to the 114 Jeffrey, because of you again.  I wish more brands sent more of their skis to you, which hopefully will happen, now that you put out a great annual gear magazine, unlike any going.  

 

 :D 

Thanks for the kind words. The response has been very positive, and glad you liked the photos - I'm pretty proud of the fact that every single photo in the guide is of an actual Blister reviewer, on equipment that he or she is actually reviewing. Also glad you like the ski comparison tables, too. I agree that those are valuable.

post #291 of 292
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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post


Do you get it only as part of a Blister subscription, or can it be bought separately? Sounds like year round coffee table duty to me...

 

You can get the annual separately ($10.99 plus shipping) or as a part of membership ($49.99).

 I notice I handle this mag more gingerly than other ski mags (which I roll up and mark up shamelessly.)  Coffee table would work if I had one.  :)

 

The membership includes the annual mag plus access to some review follow up comparisons and more in depth looks at skis of special interest, also more question answering and what to review input for members.  Such input used to go with the website, before new membership policy.

 

 Dunno. I don't normally subscribe or pay to join things online, but I did this time (as I would have with Epic).   

 

P.S. You can order through the website.  

post #292 of 292
$50 would be fine considering what I spend on gear. But for whatever reason in the past I haven't found their reviews to align with my experiences/preferences. Realskier does align with my preferences the majority of the time and I know people that test with them. Their annual dues are $20.
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