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Good ski for annual trips to VT/NH with family

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Me: 5' 9" and weigh 180 pounds.  This year I'm going for my L2 PSIA skiing certification - my skiing has progressed a lot over the past couple of seasons, but I'm still working on carving through the beginning of the turn.  In general I ski on the slower side, definitely more focused on getting my technique right than flying down the hill - I definitely am more on the finesse side than the power side.  I'm currently skiing on Fischer Progressor 8+ 165 cm (first year they came out) and Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA 172 cm.  I like both of these skis, and I favor skiing short- to mid-radius turns.

 

My family is going to be going up to VT/NH this winter for spring break, and I hope to get 5-6 days of skiing in, stopping at two different mountains.  Since I expect this to become an annual trip, and since I don't want to deal with renting skis each place we go, I'm thinking about picking up an 85-90mm pair of skis for these trips.

 

My goals for this ski:

1) Decent ski for any conditions that we would encounter.  I will probably bring my Magnums with me in case there isn't fresh snow

2) Something that will encourage me to go faster and making longer turns (the Progressor's in particular do feel like they have a speed limit - maybe too short??)

3) Looking for something that will give feedback when I do something wrong but not necessarily punish me for it

4) Definitely want something that is capable of skiing the whole mountain; we have young kids so I'll be on the groomers a log, but still want to be able to enjoy the off-piste

5) I already have a new pair of Marker demo bindings with the 90mm brake - definitely want to use these bindings on the new skis

 

I'm seeing good deals on prior years models of the Head Rev 90 (170 or 177?), Blizzard Magnum 8.5 Ti (164 or 171?) and Blizzard Bushwacker (180 cm).  Any thoughts on these?  I might be able to justify going for the Brahma price-wise if it offered something significantly better.  Also open to other suggestions.

 

I'm going to be doing a lot of work prepping for the L2 exam this season so I'm confident my skills will continue to improve.  Since I hold on to my skis for 5+ years I don't want to buy something that I will outgrow if I can help it.

 

Thanks for any thoughts.

post #2 of 13
Jat
One of my ski house members is a PSIA 2 ski instructor at Sugarbush. He is about your size. He can buy anything he wants on a pro deal and he chose the Liine Supernatural 92 as his go to do everything all mountain ski. He teaches the top 10-11 year old boys group and told me that this ski is fun, carves, does moguls and is wide enough for the few powder days under 6 inches. Last years are available at decent discounts. I think that graphics are he only change for 2016.

Your Progressors are definitely too short.
post #3 of 13
Just a thought- I'd go w more of a carve oriented ski for advancing skis & technique: think cheater / beer league GS, Titan, Blizzard mag 8/8.5 or Sali 24/7

If you want to ski the whole mtn in Vermont w your goals, go Sali 8.0 or q85, Blizzard Latigo...

I'd avoid going too wide.

As a reference my charging ski the the QLab, tech ski is a WC slalom, but the set that will be my goto, always in the car will be be Q85's this season
post #4 of 13
thread starter already skis a carving ski by Blizzard. The Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA.

The Latigo (which I have skied) is just a Brahma (which I also skied and disliked) narrowed down to 88. It's ok, but too planky and not as much fun as a not much wider Supernatural 92, or an Atomic Vantage 90cti, both of which I have skied and enjoyed. I will be on the Atomic in Vermont this season.

Maybe Jat can expand what he is looking for, as we both are just offering our own suggestions. Personally, since he already has some skis and appears to be looking for skis for a family vacation, he might consider waiting to demo and determine what he likes.

And maybe he can get a deal on skis and bindings as those marker demo bindings will be heavy and would not be anyone's first choice to place on new skis, if you want to get everything that you can out of them.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback - much appreciated.  I was thinking about trying to avoid demoing because the family that we will be traveling with likes to stop at a mountain in NY on the way up and the way back from NH/VT to break up the driving - I'm just worried about wasting a bunch of time messing around with picking up and return demo skis from mountain to mountain.  However, I think part of my confusion is that I don't have a whole lot of experience with wider skis to begin with.  Many years ago I skied a Volkl 724 Pro and a Salomon Pocket Rocket out in Utah and really liked both of them.  I also skied a Volkl 724 EXP and it was way too much ski for me.  However, I wasn't an instructor back then, and I've had many of hours of clinics and practice since then so I'd like to think that my skiing style has changed since then.

 

The most relevant experience I've had was one day last season where we got 10" of powdery snow at our home mountain.  The Magnum 8.0 CAs did OK for me through the first half of the day, but when things got more tracked up I felt like they got deflected by the conditions more than I would have liked.  I played around with a more smeary approach in my skiiing that day and I definitely enjoyed it, but I feel like I could use something that busts through the crud a bit more.  I have no doubt that my skills and lack of experience in those conditions played a factor, so I guess I'm hoping maybe a different ski could help out.

 

I'm going to look at the Line Supernatural 92s - sound interesting.  Is it reasonable to assume that my demo bindings with a 90mm waste would not work on them though?

post #6 of 13
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And maybe he can get a deal on skis and bindings as those marker demo bindings will be heavy and would not be anyone's first choice to place on new skis, if you want to get everything that you can out of them.

By the way, I have no experience with the demo bindings.  Are they that noticeably inferior to other bindings?  I liked the idea of being able to move adjust the fore/aft location on the ski - it's something I haven't tried it yet with any of my skis.  Is there a better way to do this?

post #7 of 13
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And maybe he can get a deal on skis and bindings as those marker demo bindings will be heavy and would not be anyone's first choice to place on new skis, if you want to get everything that you can out of them.

By the way, I have no experience with the demo bindings.  Are they that noticeably inferior to other bindings?  I liked the idea of being able to move adjust the fore/aft location on the ski - it's something I haven't tried it yet with any of my skis.  Is there a better way to do this?

 

If your Marker demo are griffon or jester - the answer is no, there is not much penalty involved. Neither in weight nor performance. The Marker 90 brake should fit a 92.

 

Another way to play with mounting point is the Marker Schizo series. The demo unit does the same thing, not as slick but cheaper & lighter.   

post #8 of 13
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If your Marker demo are griffon or jester - the answer is no, there is not much penalty involved. Neither in weight nor performance. 

Unfortunately the ones I have are the Glide 12.0 demo bindings.

post #9 of 13
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Unfortunately the ones I have are the Glide 12.0 demo bindings.

 

That is a decent binding. I would definitely mount those. 

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

 

That is a decent binding. I would definitely mount those. 

Glad to hear it.  I've got them so I'd like to use them.  Am I right that I will be able to adjust these fore and aft?

post #11 of 13
Nothing wrong with the Marker demo binding, although the ramp height is typically higher than a standard binding. I had a system movable binding on my Dynastar Outland 87"s. I found that I simply found the best location for my skiing and left it there.

My Tyrolia Attack 13 bindings at 970 grams each just feel so much lighter and I have become a huge fan of their ease in and out in variable conditions.

So much good equipment to choose from.
post #12 of 13

You did read the Sept issue of Ski Magazine didn't you ?

 

Brahma or Kendo, the choice is that simple. I'm a Volk guy, love my Kendos. I'm on my second pair of them. I tune them at 1/3 sharp tip to tail. With great fitting boots I can think turn and it happens, at any speed. They are that quick.

post #13 of 13
The 2016 Kendo is a new ski. 
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